TeNi: The Definitive Vultology

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    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive
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    This article requires a working understanding of the vultology code.

     

    TeNi
    EDAVER

    This is the last Gamma type, and the second-to-last type of the series. Almost all samples transferred over, with a few hangover mistypes listed at the bottom, after llll. I think this new structure really clarifies a lot of points of confusion in the Gamma quadrant and am excited to hear what you guys think. Here goes!


    Notes:

    1) The annotations (l—, ll–, lll-, llll, l–l, l-l-, l-ll, ll-l) signify function consciousness, with “l” being fully conscious and “-” being subconscious or unconscious.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi l— Unseelie Female

    Spoiler:

    Here we see the TeNi l— female baseline. From a vultological perspective, there’s some clarification needed here between the TeNi and SeFi, specifically with regards to head bobbling.

    The rattling and bobbling of the head here is a Te signal (Te head shakes / Te jitteriness). This is not to be confused with Pe’s Body Swaying or P Head Tilts. Pe Body Sways involve a sort of pendulum or “reed in the wind” effect that is applied to the whole torso area. And P head tilts are only “P” if they’re expressed as casual leanbacks or drifts, rather than rigid+jittery. Here are GIFs to show this difference:

    TeNi l— Ben Shapiro

    ^ Te Head Shake + Conductor Head Push

    TeNi l— Kristen Hadeed

    ^ Te Head Shake + Conductor Head Push

    Above we see what the Te Head Shake looks like. Now we do see some of this in SeFi’s but any amount of this activity that appears in the SeFi is coming from their Te, not their Se. Se by itself looks like this:

    SeTi l— Chance Benett

    SeFi l— Alessia Cara

    ^ As you can see, the Pe motion carries the whole torso with it, as the tilts will fling the head about without structure. In contrast, the Te head shakes are:

    • limited to the head, not seeping into the torso
    • comprised of left-to-right neck swivels rather than shoulder-to-shoulder rolls.

    The Te head shakes appear like a series of serious “yes/no/truth/false” accentuations. I hope this helps explain the difference.

    Psychology

    The cognitive similarities in these samples are very strong. To give a brief overview:

    • 1. Kristen Hadeed talks about developing a finance-oriented mindset in her teens, when she was told by her parents that if she wanted the jeans she’d have to buy them herself. She began working and one thing lead to another, until she found herself leading a business. In this story we see Gamma meritocracy and Te business orientation.
    • 2. Mary Hellen Bowers talks about discipline, single-minded focus and dedication. This shows Je’s “Personal Challenge” quality, which is shared with Fe.
    • 3. Liz Hernandez talks about learning to stand up for fair compensation (Te meritocracy) by contract negotiation.
    • 4. Megyn Kelly talks about her worry with the millennial generation for their softness, about the merits of becoming stronger through challenge and adversity, etc.
    • 5. Ashley Judd talks about “wanting to win”, wanting it all and wanting it “now.” This echoes of Charlie Sheen who we’ll touch upon further down.

    When taken together, we see that these samples have a strong inclination towards business & financial success. They are driven towards achievement through their own effort (often in logistical/technical ways), have a desire for self-sufficiency and wish for fairness. They dislike incompetence and helplessness, as well as individual mistreatment. This exemplifies the Gamma Meritocracy quality, as per the metabolism articles.

    There is also a secondary shade here, of the TeNi News/Anchorwoman. The connection between TeNi and politics will be elaborated on further down.

    TeNi l— Unseelie Male

    Spoiler:

    Here we have the TeNi l— male baseline. I originally thought Shapiro was an Se subtype but like I mentioned with the l— women above, this excessive head rattling which Shapiro does is a Te signal not a Se signal. When we come to the Se conscious types below, we’ll see just how different and more free-flowing that development becomes. Ben Shapiro is not at all free flowing, and his whole composure is rigid and stringent in a J-heavy way. An actual Se development would help loosen him up if he possessed it.

    Psychology

    All three samples are heavily involved in politics, specifically republican/conservative politics. All have positions against universal healthcare, are pro-capitalism & free-trade, and in support of nationalistic interests. They all happen to be from religious backgrounds and have conservative views on abortion and homosexual marriage/rights.

    The following is my own speculation, but it seems to me like the primary ethic of the Te-lead psychology is that:

    • We need to secure success through logistical means (Te).
    • We do that by taking the most effective logistical & financial strategy.
    • We also need to secure individual autonomy (Fi) by reducing any forced social impositions/taxes.
    • And we need to protect the borders of our autonomy at each level: personal, family, country.

    It seems to me as though there is an implicit, pre-verbal experience of life which shapes and informs the TeNi. It’s as though the default life situation is “every man for himself”, with the option to help others alturistically. Extending beyond the self it becomes “every family for itself”, with the option to help other families. And extending beyond the family it becomes “every country for itself”, with the option to help other countries. But at each layer there’s a discreet interior made evident.

    To be clear, there’s nothing in their ethics prohibiting alturism or support of others, but it’s implicitly put second to the primary “condition”, which is that we are on our own and we would do well to be self-sufficient (meritocratic) as a person, as a family, or as a nation.

    TeNi l— Seelie Female

    Spoiler:

    And here we have the l— Seelie female baseline. Seeliness and unseelieness has to be understood within the context of the type, and it seems to look a little different in Te-lead types, as compared to FiSe or SeFi.

    The forwardness and directiveness of Te never goes away, so we don’t see a strong Fi Unbridled Radiation or reviser doubt. What we do see, however, is:

    – Less nasal/monotone voice (although not quite airy)
    – Stronger emotional affect
    – Stronger number of (snarling) smiles
    – Fi breaking through cheeks

    Psychology

    All these women appear to be focused on matter of emotional health and well-being. For example, Monica Lewinsky talks about dealing with peer pressure and self-image. Wendy Walsh talks about dealing with dating and relationships, etc. Yet the focus here is not collective (Fe), and is instead the seelieness of Fi and its individualism expressing itself through a Te psychology. Books by Wendy Walsh fit squarely into the same genre as those by TeSi women like Brene Brown and Martha Becks.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi ll– Unseelie Male

    Spoiler:

    Here we see the ll– development, with the addition of Pi inertia into the vultology. We can differentiate this from the l— development by looking at GIFs such as:

    TeNi l—

    ^ Te Head Shake

    TeNi ll–

    ^ Pi Diagonal Eye-Drifting + Te Head Shake

    ^ Pi Diagonal Eye-Drifting + Te Head Shake

    Here we see how the ll– samples have an added delay in their movements, while their movements themselves still follow a “plateau” emphasis.

    Psychology

    To quote zweilous, Donald Trump and L. Ron Hubbard are basically the same person. Fundamentally, both are profit-oriented personalities who use their Ni hypnotism in conjunction with Te king energy to produce a cult of personality around them. Bill O’Reilly was probably l— for most of his career but now finds himself with Pi development, but he too has a history of developing a following around him. All three samples follow after the l— types above, in being pro-capitalism, pro-nationalism, etc.

    TeNi ll– Unseelie Female

    Spoiler:

    (Not enough samples here to comment yet)

    TeNi ll– Seelie Male

    Spoiler:

    Here we have Richard Feynman as a seelie sample. We can determine his seelieness by his:

    • Giddy Giggling
    • Unbridled Radiation
    • Fi Breaking Through Cheeks

    His Fi appears to be unhindered/free in a very innocent way, rather than contained or protected behind a barrier. This is the distinct qualia of the seelie type– despite his articulation being assertive and confident in the Te manner.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi l-l- Unseelie Male

    Spoiler:

    Now here we see what Te+Se really looks like. Se adds a playful, looser effect to the Te-lead. We can see this looseness in GIFs such as:

    TeNi l-l-

    ^ We see above how the body remains erect, with a vertical/spinal structure that is never lost — but there’s now a lot more of a casual display of body sways and hand gestures. We can compare this against the Se-Te types in GIFs such as:

    SeFi l-l-

    ^ Here the SeFi l-l- types are far less structured, and Te comes out as additive to a Pe momentum. What that means is that Te is “raising up” their bubbling energy. But as it does this, their Pe becomes all the more multi-directional and scattered. So their hands, their neck and head are all chaotically flailing about. This is in contrast to the TeNi l-l- above who never lose the composure we start out with in the l— samples. As mentioned in this thread, there’s a confident/authoritative energy that the Te-lead never loses.

    From a vultological perspective, we can see this in how the TeNi head always returns back to the front and gives a shovel chin head push to the conversational party. The energy may loosen momentarily but it always solidifies back to the main point.

    TeNi l-l- Unseelie Female

    Spoiler:

    The same things apply to the female samples above, so I will skip to the psychological elements:

    Psychology

    Rosie O’Donnell and Amy Poehler both have a comedic streak. This tends to be a common denominator of Te+Pe types, as we see this also in TeSi l-l- types like Joy Behar, Anna Kendrick, Tina Fey, Amy Schumer, etc. The energy here is a combination of blunt with witty and goofy. The goofiness helps offset some of the Te, so that comedic delivery is both frank but hilarious.

    Gloria Borger belongs to the same shade of TeNi female news anchors like Megyn Kelly and Norah O’Donnell, but happens to have more Se than the others. Still, political commentary is well within this dev level, as we see Rosie and Joy touch upon politics regularly through the social effects we experience.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi l–l Unseelie Female

    Spoiler:

    This one was hard to find– but I’m very happy we have TeNi l–l samples! Not surprisingly, most available samples come from volunteers– which is consistent with the pattern that Ji developed types withdraw from the spotlight. So I’m very grateful for both of their generosity with sharing their videos with the CT project. CK has not volunteered but has a wide online presence with dozens of videos.

    Vultologically, this development is tricky but we can differentiate it from FiSe through an examination of which is the default energy (Je vs Ji) and where the energetic toll is. To illustrate this, here we have the TeNi l–l:

    TeNi l–l

    ^ Notice that what is most seamless is their head juts and head shakes. These samples are very energetic and Je for large segments of their videos, but also pause and go into Ji for other periods. The way we can tell that they are TeNi l–l and not FiSe is by the conductor forwardness, the strong persistence and nativity of their Je, and the way in which their journey into Ji is a “clamp/restraint” rather than a return-to-home.

    We can contrast them against FiSe l–l samples below, who have a much more delicate and meticulous baseline from which Je gesticulations are “added” with exerted push:

    FiSe l–l

    ^ Notice now how there is a struggle to exercise Je, while there is no struggle to “rest”. These two are subtly displaying Ji receding energy for almost the entire length of their videos, which is the tendency to “deflate” back softly, like a trickle or a whisper, to a motionless baseline. The quality of their Je always lacks a level of force, and it appears to require exertion.

    The two TeNi’s above don’t display this exerted push, and their head shakes, head nods and shrugs are all too natural, effortless and rise to a high velocity rather instantaneously. This instantaneous velocity (Te Plateau Emphasis) and their tendency to head-push (“shovel chin”) are clear indicators of Te-lead.

    Psychology

    Psychologically, we also see the signs of Te priority, with Crimson speaking about her critical disbelief of theology and high value on scientific/objective truth. Diana, on the other hand, talks about her assertiveness, goal-orientation and fighting to get what she wants. And CK talks about being business-oriented, always thinking about projects and work opportunities.

    However, added to this we have a new element to the TeNi l–l types. CK in particular has a focus on inner-work, and self-growth throughout her channel vids. She describes herself as an INTJ (close enough, for an MBTI-er) and talks about the problems of being an introvert, which she might be in the social sense. This interior focus is also in Diana, whose full video I don’t have up but where she talks more about how age has matured her into greater dimensionality.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi lll- Unseelie Male

    Spoiler:

    Once again we see Robert Downey Jr & Hugh Laurie. I decided to add them in both the l-l- and lll- developments to show the progression of this type and how it ties into l-l- as a baseline. This is especially important since the lll- development is the most P-heavy that a TeNi can get. We can identify both Ni and Se in these samples such as in GIFs like:

    ^ Ni Zone-Out

    Ni Inertial Zone-Outs + Pi Eye-Drifts + Te Head Push (Conductor Energy)

    ^ Pe Bubbling Momentum + Te Head Shake + Je Head Push (Conductor Energy)

    The key to understanding this development is in identifying the Conductor Energy and the J Lead Priority. Look for the moments when they use Te and ask whether that looks like lead-Te. Look for moments of Ni and ask whether that looks like lead-Ni. Likewise look for moments of Se and ask whether that looks like lead-Se.

    By checking with SeFi and NiTe samples, you’ll find that Robert’s Ni is that of an aux-Ni and his Se is tert-Se. And chiefly, his Te is of a sort that can only appear in the Te-lead type. In this way, we can rightly identify types by putting together how their functions look in their specific roles — rather than just tallying up signals per function.

    I realize this is a rather nuanced point, but I hope it becomes more evident as the samples come in.

    Psychology

    In alignment with all other data points, these P-heavy TeNi’s are less political and more artistic in their careers. P-heaviness is strongly correlated with more narrative or interpretive works like storywriting, songwriting and music. To that end, the TeNi lll- type uses their lead Te to pursue their arts but with the same level of “oomph” that they always apply to everything. This makes them prolific and industrious “workers” for the arts; able to keep steady for decades at a time in their occupations– even into later stages of life.

    This is not always the case with reviser artists who tend to fizz-out sooner, due to that very same reviser refresh factor and need for change.

    TeNi lll- Unseelie Female

    Spoiler:

    Wynonna fits squarely into the same shade as the above males, being herself a singer/artist — who also has a long and industrious/dutiful career. Te-leads seem to “go strong” way into their later years, even if they are artistic about it. Indeed, they seem to resist retirement altogether! 😀

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi ll-l

    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi l-ll Seelie Male

    Spoiler:

    I’m also grateful to our volunteer Mike for his video here. This development is tricky to understand and requires some parsing. Firstly, it’s an inverted development, so both Pe+Ji are active in a Je-lead psyche. What this means is that we can expect to find a “reviser” energy within a Je “shell”. An example of this can be seen in GIFs like:

    Notice how his hands are no longer entirely “angular” and commanding in the way they appear in the TeNi l— types. Instead there’s “struggle”/”confusion” and a level of awkwardness in them. The fingers are meticulous in the way they form that “bubble” at the center.

    (Sidenote: I find it interesting that we still see here the Fi/Te “claw/bear” hands pattern, with stiff wrists and a bending of the tips of the fingers.)

    But, structurally speaking this is very similar to what we see in FeNi l-ll Jordan Peterson here:

    ^ The movements of the two are practically identical in qualia, despite coming from sister quadrants.

    The thing to look for here isn’t so much Ji halting to the degree that we see in the l–l types, but the afterglow of Ji evidenced by stuttering and hesitation of the hands and body. Since we have two extroverted functions fighting against one introverted function, we can’t expect to see true momentum halts to the level we see in l–l, so we look for the signs of Ji trying to “tame” the joint effort of Je+Pe.

    And here is Mike showing another variation of conscious Pe+Ji:

    ^ Pe Eye-Toggling + Ji Meticulous Hands

    Here we can see the stuttering hands and also a meticulousness to his fingers. This happens alongside a pair of toggling eyes, which together give off a reviser-esque energy.

    This is very interesting combination of signals, and this is as far as I’ve gotten in understanding it– but I hope more samples will make this clearer.

    Psychology

    Cognitively, we know our member Mike typed as NeFi for a while, feeling strong affinity with Pe+Ji. The blunt edge of Te is severely curbed by this development, to where it’s almost nonexistent. Max Tegmark is a physicists — which follows in line with the Te correlation to S.T.E.M. fields. But his approach to physics is very axiomatic in a Ji way; placing “math” as the quintessential meta-existence that he’d expect to be present even in multiverses.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TeNi llll

    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Mistypings

     

    NiTe ll– Marie Von Franz

    Spoiler:

    Marie Von Franz, perhaps the most famous successor to NiFe Carl Jung, was actually an NiTe. I find this not only vultologically coherent, but intuitively and psychologically true as well– with both these scholars being Ni-leads and deeply immersed in the world of symbolism, timeless narratives and the like.

    She has plenty of conscious Te, which I mistook for lead Te at first, but we can see that her head movements remained ever locked forward in a fixed Pi gaze, and her body follows the cobra-pattern of Pi motion — which I hope to contrast side by side when I get to the writeups soon.

    SeFi l— Selena Gomez & Jessica Chobot

    Spoiler:

    Here we see a very unambiguous SeFi vultology from both samples. These two girls both have other videos that appear more Te in development, but I went back to their earliest videos to confirm SeFi vs TeNi and Selena Gomez is quite clearly SeFi here. Jessica Chobot is also clearly SeFi when she’s not “on duty” — remembering that we get the most natural view into people when they’re in an interview format.

    Psychology

    Psychologically, there is also greater convergence. Selena Gomez fits squarely into the SeFi singers shade alongside Alessia Cara, Lorde, Bhad Bhabie, etc. And Jessica Chobot belongs to the long list of unseelie PeFi youtube hosts who keep up with the gaming industry.

    FeNi ll– Al Gore

    Spoiler:

    Al Gore has a rather Te-esque default mouth shape at a glance, but this cross-over appears to be anatomical in nature. His every word, intonation and gesticulation follows the Fe pattern rather fully. His gestures have a swell in them, and they hit with emotional impact and timing. Even compared to the TeNi ll– types, who have a slowed velocity due to Pi viscosity, this appears to be the case.

    Psychology

    Psychologically, it appears we also see some deviation away from the TeNi’s in ideology or politics and towards the FeNi’s — as FeNi’s are more highly represented among Democrats. In general, TeNi’s are statistically weighted towards Republicans/Conservatives and focused on tightening borders, while FeNi’s tend to be more pro-socialism, pro-environmental-awareness and highlight our human interdependence (Fe) more. Al Gore fits the latter.




    Flat Affect

    Like the FeSi thread, I’m placing these at the end of the thread to examine them together.

    TeNi l-l- Unseelie Male + Flat Affect

    Spoiler:

    ^ Flat Affect?

    We can compare him to FeSi l-l- Directive Male Charles Manson (everything in their development is identical except for function quadrant):

    What we see in both samples is aggression/violence, mania or megalomania (illusions of grandeur) and incoherent thought trains. The quality of their psyches is the same; submerged in the demonic grip of the unconscious. To borrow a Freudian word, they appear to have let the Id loose and are quite unhinged.

    This may be the result of double-extroversion (which is uncompressed consciousness) operating through flat affect –an inundation into the cthonic– thus releasing the contents from below, up above(?) This is all very fascinating to me. It seems introverted types with flat affect don’t have the same type of expression as the Je+Pe types do.

    Wondering what you guys think?

    TeNi l-l- Unseelie Female + Flat Affect

    Spoiler:

    ^ Flat Affect?

    Camille Paglia displays Flat Affect also, particularly in current times –while her younger self appears less affected. Admittedly, it is mild and there’s a spectral quality to flat affect also.

    However, we do see certain similarities between her and Charlie Sheen in the form of intensely haughty energy, and aggressive passion (if not violence itself). But much like Jordan Peterson, Camille seems to have an awareness of cthonic human nature which she has transmuted into wisdom and grown into a tempered perspective.

    I would agree with Jordan Peterson that what makes the difference between [the two] is not the passage into the underworld, but whether one makes it back out. There is a special sort of insight that rises in those who have been touched by the dark –and yet have ascended from it– which is not yet present in those who remain locked in the depths as does Sheen in the above moment.

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    Paul
    Participant
    • Type: TeNi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    HHHHHHHNNNNNNNNNNN.

    Sander
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: lll-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    I’ll be working on the TeNi thread in open view

    Thank you, @auburn!

    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    yeap!

    well then, i guess i might make incremental updates?


    @animal
    @teatime – I added Josh Homme above, next to Robert Downey Jr — I wonder if this helps reveal the visual connection better?

    Both of these guys are at the very edge of P-heaviness in a TeNi, but the TeNi lll- vultology follows suit from a combo of TeNi ll– and TeNi l-l-, while still retaining the J-lead structure and Conductor forwardness. Let me know what you guys think?

    Also Added:

    • TeNi l— Jair Bolsonaro
    • TeNi l— Mike Huckabee

    ..which sets the male baseline.

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    Animal
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: lll-
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    @auburn

    Looks very right to me!  Robert Downy is a 7 and Josh Homme is a 6… and thus RDJ looks a bit more bubbly and excited, and Josh, more cautious and severe – but it’s personality. The function signals are a perfect match.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    update – added:

    • TeNi l-l- Rosie O’Donnell
    • TeNi lll- Wynonna Judd
    • TeNi ll– Patricia Routledge
    • TeNi l-l- Charlie Sheen (at the end of the thread)
    • TeNi l-l- Camille Paglia (at the end of the thread)

     

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