FeSi: The Definitive Vultology

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    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive
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    This article requires a working understanding of the vultology code.

     

    FeSi
    ALEMER

    Hello! Thanks to all of you who were waiting patiently for this thread. Here it is! There are more FeSi samples than those listed here, and a full list of them will be shown at the end of the thread shortly. There was a mixture of what we would expect to find for the first 4 development levels, and a few curious things in the latter four. I also included a bonus section at the bottom of this thread for flat affect samples. I hope you enjoy and I hope this helps present a clear and complete picture of the FeSi type!


    Notes:

    1) The annotations (l—, ll–, lll-, llll, l–l, l-l-, l-ll, ll-l) signify function consciousness, with “l” being fully conscious and “-” being subconscious or unconscious.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeSi l— Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    This represents the baseline vultology for the FeSi l— adaptive male. In general we can see that they are warm, articulate, confident and parental in their composure. Now, I’ll get to adaptive vs directive differences a bit further down below.

    Psychology

    – Lifestyle Coaching
    – Self Improvement / Growth
    – People Reading
    – Society & Collaboration
    – Health / Fitness

    These samples are very similar to the adaptive FeNi l— ones, where there’s a strong focus on shepherding and coaching. The general message that’s relayed is “I have something to teach you, of value, that could change your life for the better.” In the case of Charlie (Charisma on Command) this takes the form of improving one’s success in anything from relationships to the workplace by learning how to read people’s emotions better. This people-reading focus is itself a strong Fe indicator, as is the guided approach he takes with his audience.

    In Dr. Axe we see the doctor-turned-savior Fe motif, where he uses his expertise to create a platform through which to change people’s lives. In his case, he’s tackling matters from the biological angle, but nonetheless taking a shepherding approach in his delivery. Ben Saltzman has slightly more introverted energy than the others but still is “l—” in development. However, even this small amount of introverted energy shows in his psychology, as he takes a more introspective approach to self-growth and betterment.

    The first 3 samples are similar to each other (same shade), and the last 2 are similar to each other. David Rubin is a political commentator and show host –and there are many more FeSi in politics, as we’ll see. And Devin Stone is a lawyer who has decided to become a law school “coach” or mentor. Now, law seems to be more typically affiliated with Te users, but there’s ample interest also in Fe for law since both intersect on the question of “how to rule” society. However, even here Devin’s Fe shows itself by how he approaches the study of law— using a “power through it” methodology, echoing a mind-over-matter ethos that is very visible on his website.

    Sidenote: Notice the muscularity of some of the samples. This is not used as an indicator when typing, yet it appears to cluster strongly around Fe-leads and specifically FeSi’s. For now I’ll leave it as a curious observation.

    FeSi l— Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    Here we see the directive variant of the FeSi l— male. Having done both Fe-lead types now, I feel more prepared to describe what these visual differences are. Adaptive/Directive remains a spectrum, with both extremes available to the Fe user, but in brief the differences are:

    Adaptive:
    – Agreeableness (politeness)
    – Collaborative gesturing (inclusive hand motions)
    – Stronger Fe Warm Swelling

    Directive:
    – Disagreeableness (anger)
    – Accusational gesturing (pointing, pushing, asserting)
    – Weaker Fe Warm Swelling (somewhat more snappy yet still with a ballistic motion pattern, distinct from Te)

    Anger, as a variable, is not the only variable. So Directive types aren’t just grumpy or mean, nor does Adaptive equate to being “nice.” Yet, anger is a legitimate component we see (because I think the integration of “anger” into the ego represents a decision to assert boundaries rather than meld into others) but there’s more to it.

    The gestures of adaptive Fe are seeking to harmonize with the audience, and so they are actively trying to “pull them” in. Sometimes this manifests literally as a “scooping” motion of the hands towards the torso but it can be less explicit, such as in a gentler “hit” of the hands on each beat.

    Oppositely, Directive hand gestures are accusational, tending to push the arm/hand outward like an arrow and “stabbing” the audience. There is no “scooping” motion gathering the audience in, but instead the undertone is “Let me tell you how it is.” The directive vultology is intent on asserting their opinion, rather than presenting it as an offering to either be accepted or questioned.

    I hope that makes sense?

    Psychology

    – Being Tough Willed
    – Handling Losing, and aiming to Win
    – Being Hungry for “More”
    – Exposing political Corruption
    – Exposing academic Fraud

    We see the strongest similarity between Tai Lopez and Tony Robbins (same shade), who are both life-coaches with a hardy, “go-getter” ethos. They both express, at different times, mind-over-body tactics. In the case of Tai, he suggests transformation by allowing trauma and painful realities to sink into our minds, but using that as incentive for growth. This is very similar to FeNi Kazimierz Dabrowski’s method of positive disintegration. Now, Tony Robbins speaks for himself, and is such an Fe-lead archetype that he hardly requires mention. With book titles such as “Awaken the Giant Within” and “Ultimate Power”, we see that he champions for our ability to call forth our own agency.

    And so it appears that the Directive Fe-leads are more focused on giving people the harsh training necessary to toughen them up to hardships, while the Adaptives appear to be helping support people who may be in need of nurturing.

    Secondly, Kyle_Kulinski from Secular Talk, and Jimmy from Bright Insight represent another shade. Both of them are youtubers who have a gripe against what I’d call –in a mythical sense– the corrupted king. Kyle is against the runaway corruption of money in politics. Jimmy is against the inertia of academia which appears to be financially invested in keeping a status quo with regards to important archaeological truths and the origins of humanity. (Lots of Si history/narrative focus in there)

    This particular shade corresponds well with other FeNi’s we see such as Cenk Uygur. Directive Fe, in this case, is being used to fight against ethical wrongdoings at the societal level.

    FeSi l— Adaptive Female

    Spoiler:

    Here we see the vultology of the FeSi adaptive female. Once again we see an agreeableness combined with collaborative gesturing. Collaborative gesturing can also be seen in things like nodding with the audience and showing attentiveness – which we see especially in Heidi Klum.

    Psychology

    This sample group is too small to say very much, but in general we have two actresses. Emma Watson, however, appears to be following a path towards political crusading (Je) for women’s equality alongside her acting career. Hey, not all feminists are Fi! ?

    FeSi l— Directive Female

    Spoiler:

    The contrast between the adaptive and directive Fe in females is even most pronounced than it is in the male samples. Adaptive females tend to try quite a lot to appear agreeable, and this may not be entirely due to “trying” but perhaps because on average women are more agreeable than men.

    In any case, with Becky Bailey we see another example of a life-coach, but this time with a family-life focus. Becky tutors people on emotional intelligence, communication and so forth. In this sense she’s similar to Charlie; identifying cues and signals that let you know what the situation is and how to respond to it. Similarly, Celeste_Headlee focuses on how to have proper conversations with others, with books such as “The Four Conversations: Daily Communication that gets Results” and “We Need To Talk.”

    The priority here with both samples is maximizing the value of our interactions with others, creating meaningful conversations and a harmonious existence with our peers.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeSi ll– Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    Here is the FeSi ll– development. Notice the difference from the l— development. We see in these samples a greater inertia and delay in movements, …a kind of stretched out motion visible in GIFs such as:

    The head does a little bit more tilting to the sides (P), and the vultology is all around less excitable. There is senex energy to these samples, which gives them a “seated” quality. By contrast, the FeSi l— types seem more anxious to “do” and to move; on a mission. Their movements are more excitable and have a level of urgency or charisma. We see this component is missing in the FeSi ll– types.

    Psychology

    – Religion / Faith
    – Narrativism
    – Mentorship

    As a quick note, Tom Cruise presents as l— in development in other videos online. But in this particular one he’s showing modulation of Si, which appears to indicate that he’s developed Si later in his life.

    Harry Lennix talks about wanting to be a priest when he was younger, born from an affinity for the priest who raised him as surrogate fathers (Si nostalgia + Fe mentorship), and wanting to be that father figure for somebody else too. These elements show great signs of Fe+Si working in unison. The desire to be a stable (Si) father figure for children is combined with a desire to guide the next generation forward (Fe).

    In Tom Cruise we get less of a window into his psychology here, since he’s talking about a movie role. But his biography displays a man who is also religiously devoted, as we all know.

    FeSi ll– Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    Here we see the FeSi ll– male in Directive form. Bernie Sanders has been called a “grumpy grandpa” and there are several elements to this. It’s not just a statement of his age (Trump and Hilary are also seniors), but of his vultology. There is a grandfatherly (Pi) element to him in his movements which, like Harry Lennix, are elongated by Pi’s inertia.

    However, after the elongation, they’re accelerated once again by Directive Fe. What results is a curious combination of little pushes coming from directive Fe, but amidst this Si inertia:

    Fe + Si + Directive

    compared to…

    Fe + Directive

    ^ Notice how much more angular and rigid Tai Lopez is, and the “crispness” of his hits.

    Psychology

    Bernie Sanders demonstrates the same Fe grievances that Kyle does with the corrupt king, and just like FeNi Cenk Uygur/etc he advocates the establishment of more collectivist/socialist policies.

    Additionally, he’ll tend to Si ramble and also has quite an anecdotal understanding of America, having seen it progress over many decades. He calls from his personal experience a lot, which all politicians do to some extent, but for him it’s quite a tangible matter involving real people he’s interacted with in Vermont and elsewhere.

    FeSi ll– Adaptive Female

    Spoiler:

    I’ll have to hold off before I can comment more on this sample, but in general we see yet another FeSi pro-socialist/collectivist, with a focus on helping people. To quote from Wikipedia:

    “In May 2019 her memoir Where the Light Enters: Building a Family, Discovering Myself was published. The book has little political content, instead focusing on aspects of family. In it she states that while she is “grateful” to have been second lady, “The role I have always felt most at home in is being ‘Dr. B.'””

    Once again like with Harry Lennix we see a focus on family, and less political crusading. Fe with Si development would tone down the political edge of this type, and I think Bernie Sanders is an exception to this due to his Directive Fe.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeSi l-l- Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    Next we see the l-l- (or double extroverted) FeSi’s. Vultologically we see that they are even more excitable than the l— types, with a great deal of articulation as well as bubbling momentum. We can see this conjunction in GIFs such as:


    ^ Je Gesticulation + Pe Bubbling Momentum


    ^ Je Gesticulation + Pe Bubbling Momentum

    (For those curious, the differences between the FeSi l-l- and the NeTi l-l- was covered well in this post)

    Psychology

    – Comedy
    – Acting
    – Body Building
    – Stand-Up
    – Show Host
    – Living Life Fully / Coaching

    We see a strong similarity in the first 2-3 samples (shade), with Terry Crews and Dwayne Johnson both being body-builders, comedians and actors. It appears to me that there’s a very strong trend between Fe-leads and bodybuilding. This, I can estimate, has something to do with the mind-over-body aspect of Fe, but also with the persona-sensitive aspect of it.

    For males, muscle represents status, power and respect — all of which are things Fe covets to attain. The development of muscle mass can therefore come to be a kind of peacocking the same way a lion’s mane works to demonstrate their fitness as leader of the pack. Yet this is further combined, in the FeSi l-l- adaptive male, by a joviality from Ne. Adaptive Fe + Ne creates a combination that uses silly humor to grease the wheels between people, and foster connection. This trickles into Eddie Murphy, who is not a bodybuilder but also has some self-consciousness in this department. I believe Murphy admits to having been the class clown when younger, and struggling to fit in.

    Terry Crews also has said on camera that he’s a softie underneath, but he used his muscle mass + a tough persona… to get out of some difficult environments when younger. So we can see how Fe users use their body (literally) as a tool for respect.

    The bottom two samples represent another shade. Chase Jarvis and Jon Iadarola are both youtube show hosts, with an abundance of content. In this way they’re both more similar to other prolific Je+Pe users such as TeSi l-l- Phil DeFranco or the many NeFi l-l- youtubers we see.

    However, we still see their FeSi tendencies come out. In Chase Jarvis, we find that his channel is about mentorship and he brings on guests “who share their career arcs and stories with the goal of helping you live your dream.” He’s got that life-coaching tendency as well, even if it’s by proxy of having dozens of conversations with people who share their experiences on “how best to live.”

    Jon Iadarola is a friend and co-host of The Young Turks (along with FeNi Cenk Uygur and FeNi Ana Kasparian) and shares the same pro-socialist, anti-capitalist sentiments as them and many of the other FeSi’s in this thread.

    FeSi l-l- Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    Michael Strahan belongs squarely to the above shade of FeSi l-l- bodybuilders, and I almost put him there but he does display Directive energy. However, the same comments would apply to him.

    Sammy Hagar is a somewhat different beast. His Pe (Je+Pe duo) manifests in an edgy, rock and roll lifestyle as a guitarist and performer.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeSi l–l Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    I get major deja-vu vibes from Leslie and @bob!
    But since Leslie has no Adaptive counterpart here, I’ll group my comments together on the FeSi l–l male in the Directive section below.

    FeSi l–l Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    Here we have the FeSi l–l male. Vultologically we notice the presence of Ti being added to a baseline Fe exterior. We can see the use of Ti in GIFs such as:

    FeSi vs TiNe

    Now, it’s my task to differentiate the FeSi l–l from the TiNe l–l. They key difference between them is that the TiNe l–l is starting at Ti and pushing up towards Fe, while the FeSi l–l is starting at Fe and slowing down to Ti.

    Therefore, the FeSi l–l will experience a constriction of momentum and a reduction of animation, which is quickly lifted off when Ti finishes its cycle. Oppositely, the TiNe l–l will have a nativity in inaction, and the strain will be in the Fe gesture, which will have Ji’s “exerted push” quality. We can see this difference in momentum halting by comparing the following GIFs:

    TiNe l–l Auburn & Arin Crumley

    compared to…

    FeSi l–l

    ^ Notice how in these two last GIFs the body is temporarily on “pause” but them resumes quite powerfully into a proactive energy. The “strain” is not in the pushing, but in the stopping. And this lets us know it’s Fe>Ti, not Ti>Fe.

    Psychology

    – Futurism
    – Science & Technology
    – Virtual Reality
    – The environment’s impact on us
    – Human adaptation in the 21st century

    This shade is fascinating to me. I must admit some bias towards Yuval Harari, as he’s one of my favorite people as of late. Jordan Greenhall doesn’t seem too bad either. These two belong squarely to the same shade of futuristic, science-focused thinkers. They’re both very cerebral in their attitudes and understand the inevitable transition of humanity into an ever more digitized era.

    They both express aspects of the Ti+Ne Armchair Philosopher shade; thinking far into the beyond and speculating into decades ahead with a level of Ne imagination and Ti calculated diagnostics of those hypotheses. That is to say, Ne theorizes hypothetical futures and Ti evaluates that hypothetical future by parsing it out with precision and giving a yes or no.

    What you get is something different than the anticipatory quality of Ni (seen in Ray Kurzweil) but which nonetheless exists in a fantastical place divorced from the present.

    But where they differ from TiNe’s is that they’re both history buffs, and are deeply entrenched in the question of “how will this affect us humans.” They demonstrate a level of caution and concern (aux Si) for these eventualities, and aim to open a dialogue for how we might navigate this territory ethically (Fe) as we move forward.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeSi lll- Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    Now we reach the challenging developments! Beginning with the lll- type. The constitution of the FeSi lll- is two extroverted functions and one introverted function. This causes the energetics to level out somewhere in the net-positive, making them less animated than the l-l- types but moreso than the ll– types.

    There’s also the presence of 2 perception functions, underneath just one J function — causing a net P-heavy energy, despite being J-lead. I’ll need to create a few GIFs to demonstrate this:


    ^ Je Gesticulation + J Rigid Posture

    In this GIF we his J-lead composure, which is always there behind the surface. There is a “structure” and a rigidity to him underneath, and when he gesticulates his torso and hands will tend to have definitive halts. Taken by itself the above GIF would suggest Je-lead without question.

    But next we layer on his development:

    Ne


    ^ Ne Buoyant Undercurrent + Pe Bubbling Momentum

    Here we see him in l-l- development. His body swivels to the sides, and his energy is semi-random.

    Si


    ^ Pi Eye-Drifting + Inertial Energy

    And here he is in a moment of Pi inertia. We know that Hiddleston has an introverted function conscious because his energy is not animated to the same degree as what we see in the l-l- types, yet it doesn’t quite approach the ll– type either. This is the inbetween development of the lll- type.

    We see these two (Si+Ne) come together in moments such as:

    ^ Here we see an Si concerned eye-drift… leading into a Pe head bobble.

    It’s a fascinating development to see, and not a very typical one. I chose a video that highlights this development best, but there are no shortage of other videos of him out there that more unambiguously show him as FeSi, for those who may need more data to congeal the interwoven aspect of Fe+Si+Ne. It’s very nuanced, but it’s also definitely visible once the interaction of the functions is understood.

    Psychology

    As we might expect from such a development (P-heavy) there is far less political focus in Hiddleston. He’s an actor and also a musician, although he does appear to have humanitarian leanings. Hopefully more can be said as this shade expands in samples.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeSi ll-l Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    And now we come to our beloved FeSi ll-l Barack Obama. Yes, he was previously thought to be FeSi-Ti (or l–l) back before development levels were constructed, but he’s actually double introverted! We can see this in the presence of not only Ti momentum halts but a vast array of Si inertial eye-drifts, both of which plague his vultology and give him his reputation as a stutterer.

    As with Tom Hiddleston, I’d like to begin with his baseline Fe vultology:

    We see that he’s fundamentally structured in his composure and psychology. His movements are angular, face-centric and rigid. He has a confident, authoritative crystallization to his body that speaks of King energy, despite the introverted development. We can see this most clearly when comparing him to FeNi ll-l Carl Sagan:

    ^ As you’ll note, both were originally typed FeNi-Ti / FeSi-Ti, but it turns out their level of introversion is twofold. The FeSi l–l we see above, more properly represent what one introverted function can do to offset the energy of one extroverted function.

    That is to say, the FeSi l–l is energetically ambiverted (in the colloquial sense), while these two above lean towards net introversion, which is exactly what we see with two introverted functions opposing one extroverted function. It really amazes me that this is possible, without losing the nativity of Fe. But so far as I can tell, this really is the case.

    Obama remains Fe-lead in all of his cognitive approaches, decisions and ethics. He remains J-lead in how he’s very principled, idealistic, and intent on upholding his axioms. So he’s a J-lead Alpha. Yet he’s not TiNe, because of his king energy –displayed in his understated authoritative confidence– and lack of reviser doubt or whimsical Ti+Ne energy. This is one of those types that really has no analog that I’ve seen in any other model.

    Oh right, to show some of his other signals in action:


    ^ Pi Inertial Energy + Pi Eye-Drifting


    ^ Ji Momentum Halting + Ji Eyes Disengage Down

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    l-ll

    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeSi llll Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    Lastly, we have my least favorite development (at least when it comes to typings)! The llll types have given me hell, but I’m starting to understand them better. Without a proper understanding of the above developments, this one doesn’t make any sense. For a long time Alain De Botton baffled me, and I simply could not type him as any type except Alpha.

    I now know why. He’s FeSi llll.

    To try to demonstrate this I’ll start by using a different video of him, since I can’t capture all of this in one place:

    Alain De Botton / Modulating as FeSi l— Adaptive Male

    ^ We can see in this video how Alain can, if he wants to, go into “l—” mode. Now the reason I didn’t choose this video is because he’s clearly on stage and the environment demands a certain output from him. But it remains the case that not all types could modulate into this form, even if they wanted to. Not all types and developments could exemplify what he exemplifies in this video– and what he shows is that he’s Je-lead.

    There is no struggle with his Je; it’s native. We don’t see the exerted effort of Ji. We also do clearly see the rigidity of a J-lead posture. So now that we have this as the baseline to compare against, lets examine his vultology in the featured video:

    Si

    ^ Here we see one of many moments where his Si shows, with an inertial energy and eye-drift to the sides. I have to mention this in conjunction with his psychology, which is very very focused on history and narrative. For those who know the youtube channel “The School of Life”, and are familiar with his works, you’ll see that he’s very much a senex in his own way. He’s an advice-giver, a supporter of temperance, patience and other long-duration viewpoints. These include a value for religion, for the structure and consistency they provide to life, despite him being atheistic. He’s a complicated man.

    Ne

    ^ Here we see one of many moments where his Ne shows. It shows even more in other interviews where he can modulate into l-l-. Psychologically he has a very open mind to new information, and displays aspects of the Ne “hodgepodge” in his methods. In his own words he has a “pick-and-mix” approach to wisdom. Like Hegel, he finds that every period of history has something of value to offer, and he conglomerates together these lessons into himself, in that chimerical Ne fashion.

    Ti

    And lastly, his Ti shows in moments like the above. This also does show powerfully in his psychology, as he’s exceedingly keen on differentiations and is careful with his words. In this way he’s very similar to FeNi l-ll Jordan Peterson and I often compare/contrast the two in my own mind when trying to grasp these Fe lessons.

    Vultologically, Alain De Botton looks like FeSi l–l Yuval Harari — if you were to stick lll- Tom Hiddleston’s vultology in the middle.

    Psychology

    Psychologically, this man is all over the place. He’s an orator (Je), a teacher (Je), a life coach (Fe), a historian (Si), a traditionalist (Si), an explorer of information domains (Pe), a fantastical wanderer (Ne), a diagnostician (Ji), an idealist (Ji) an atheist (Ti) and yet is spiritual.

    This guy’s too much for me to handle.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Flat Affect

    We finally have a type with sufficient flat affect samples to allow for a more proper discussion on their vultology/psychology. I decided to place these samples at the end, so as to not break the flow of the thread. I’m excited to share with you what we see– here goes!

    FeSi l— Directive Male + Flat Affect

    Spoiler:

    Wim Hof is the epitome of the Fe mind-over-body ethos. For those familiar with him, he’s the “Ice Man” and undergoes extreme training by putting himself in ice-cold water for minutes at a time, breaking world records. He also walks in nothing but shorts out in the snow. He has a philosophy that the human brain has been numbed by society into a dulled state, and that we need to realize how much we are capable of.

    FeSi l-l- Directive Male + Flat Affect

    Spoiler:

    Acslaterlol (“Slater”) is a rather troubling personality, in my opinion. He’s rather unhinged and speaks his mind, but also has angst against society. He especially takes offense to weak, incompetent “soy boys” and he likes to boast his own prowess by comparison.

    FeSi l-l- Directive Male + Flat Affect

    Spoiler:

    Lastly we have Alex Jones, who is a well known hot-headed conspiracy theorist who believes that the government uses brain control devices through radio waves, television sets, etc. He also believes in interdimensional aliens and more things than I could ever list.

    FeSi l-l- Directive Male + Flat Affect

    Spoiler:

    His Si/Ne eyes are more clearly visible in his youth: link.

    Charles Manson fits squarely into the same shade as Alex Jones, and this is just vultologically speaking. It’s eerie how similar their energy is. Notice how towards the end of the interview Manson gets angry. But it’s not just anger… it’s feral, and almost non-human. The qualia of his energy in those moments is outside the range of typical human expressivity. I get the sensation that I’m standing in front of an unhinged bear or predator. It’s very unnerving.

    Overall in these samples we see a commonality of themes. While all Directive Fe-leads suffer from some antagonistic relationship to the state of the world, these appear to be exceptionally at odds with it, and often having what looks to me as nothing short of a personal vendetta.

    They have very fringe ideas, fringe behaviors and are radical in some way or another. I think “insanity” is one of those words that’s a grey area to use — but I would be content with saying, in the old English sort of way, that they are “strange/peculiar.”

    There’s a fine line between genius and insanity, and I find that to be true of a lot of flat affect samples too. Jung appears to have flat affect at some points, as seen in photos such as:

    Spoiler:

    So I’m not at all the sort of person to discount them, but I must admit their minds border on schizophrenic at times, and delusional. Whether they really are delusional or insightful may be a matter of careful examination — but at least we might be able to say, from an objective perspective, that flat affect positively correlates with superstitious, esoteric and reality-bending thoughts.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

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    Celeste
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: lll-
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    Question about Adaptive and Directive. Can Directive Fe be a little bit harsh  like Unseelie Fi?

    For example: If it’s necessary to manage the emotional situation or to put someone in their place (they’re altering the “mood”of the social sphere) would the Directive Fe user be blunt ?

    I imagine something along the lines of “the end justify the means”?

    Faeruss
    Participant
    • Type: FeNi
    • Development: llll
    • Attitude: Directive

    Certainly @Celeste. We can be very confrontational when we think it’s the best way forward.

    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Yes ^ like Faeruss said,

    And this is where unseelie and directive are similar, and seelie and adaptive are similar. Fe can be blunt or harsh, and in some ways even moreso than unseelie Fi because at the end Fe resorts to public shaming, punishments and accusations. Unseelie Fi is more prone to dismiss, ignore, cut-off, or steamroll someone which, although not pleasant either, may not constitute such a keen emotional harassment/abuse.

    I forgot to ask —

    What do you guys think of the FeSi’s?

    Do the visual/psychological explanations make sense?

    Are there any FeSi’s in your life, and does this help discover what their dev levels are?

    Any feedback on the content itself, or the approach, is welcome!

    Thanks! 🙂

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    Sander
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: lll-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Agreeableness (positive emotion)

    Feedback (as requested): positive emotions are much stronger correlated with Extraversion’s social aspect ‘Enthusiasm’. Enthusiasm is indeed ‘playing along’, but don’t confuse that with agreeableness!

    (And its exact opposite, aloofness, is used in the wiki as description of Directness)

    PS. I might be extremely Enthusiastic, yet it concerns your Anima; so, don’t fall for the psychogenetic fallacy!

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