FeNi: The Definitive Vultology

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  • Auburn
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    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive
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    FeNi
    ALEVER

    Welcome to thread #6 of the Development Levels! This thread is dedicated to¬†jelle¬†who is the biggest fan of the FeNi’s Big… Energy. There weren’t really many mistypings in this bunch, thankfully, so most of what is already known about them still applies. No paradigm shift, guys. However, articulating it precisely always adds a richer layer of detail and a necessary thoroughness to our readings going forward. Ok here goes!


    Notes:

    1) The annotations (l—, ll–, lll-, llll, l–l, l-l-, l-ll, ll-l) signify function consciousness, with “l” being fully conscious and “-” being subconscious or unconscious.
    2) For the most obvious cases Adaptive vs Directive is appropriately assigned, but considering the attitude of the F function is a spectrum there are some samples which use a combination of both energies in a seamless conjunction. So do bear in mind that the designations here are my best attempt to delineate between a continuous gradient.

    • This topic was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeNi l— Adaptive Male / The Mystic Life-Coach

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    The baseline for the FeNi more appropriately belongs to the Directives as they constitute the majority of FeNi developments, but I would like to start with the Adaptives to present a keener point of contrast going forward. Immediately we see strong similarities between the vultology of these three, chiefly in the amount of Fe Warm Swelling they display. Notice how Ralph Smart milks out every second of his Fe impact and hits with a gentleness and invitation. It is as though they are scooping you up into their bosom through their gesticulations. This is an aspect of Adaptive Fe.

    All carry a strong confidence, a powerful posture with forwardness and boldness despite being warm soft teddy bears. There’s a curious juxtaposition here with femininity added through a sensitive nurturing energy, but a masculinity inserted through a strong and powerful presence. There’s also a trend in Fe-lead males to bulk up muscle which is not entirely unrelated to Fe’s relationship to persona, hierarchy and bravado. This pattern will continue to repeat itself further down the thread.

    Psychology

    – Maximizing Well-being
    – Mindset Shifting
    – Achieving Full Potential
    – Connecting with something Beyond
    – Teaching
    – Nurturing connections between people

    Drew Canole and Ralph Smart carry much the same message. Both are oracles with the intent to guide their audiences towards a higher frequency (“frequency” and “energy” are common words used) that is also connected to a higher (and often karmic) causality. We see in these two the E+N+F temperament and how it focuses on the power of intention, and how that manifests (E) into actualities. But as we see with the introduction of Derek Muller, it doesn’t have to be this way. While Ralph and Drew have their egos in Ni and Fe respectively, Derek appears to favor Ti and takes a more analytical route. He is the least esoteric of the three and depends instead on science for answers, but his life focus is still in raising human consciousness, raising awareness via education and honing the art of pedagogy. Whether it’s through mysticism or academia, the motif that runs through each of them is “I have something important [truth] to teach you that can change your life [for the better].”

    FeNi l— Directive Male / The Humanist Preacher

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    Now, we see quite a different disposition in the Directive FeNi’s. The attention turns away from “taking others into one’s arms” and to pushing out a message with a degree of aggression. Vultologically this displays itself in more head shakes or rattles, more pointed emphasis, less delay in Fe’s warm swelling, and the like. One might say there is a “condescending” tone to directive Fe, embedded with a degree of shame even if one is not at fault. “Moral Judgment” is certainly being dished out and the audience is receiving that accusation in a depersonalized way. For example Mandy Patinkin preaches to Charlie Rose with that condescending tone although Charlie is not at all the one responsible for the transgressions being mentioned.

    An explicit relationship exists between the decontextualized “audience” and the Fe user, and Directive Fe expresses that relationship in a general form. It is more appropriate to think of this as a message that is being broadcast to the world but which uses this specific conversation as a vehicle for delivery.

    Psychology

    – Human Behavior
    – Morality / Character
    – Responsibility to our Fellow Man
    – Pro-Socialism
    – Commentary on Politics & Corruption
    – Advocacy

    Unlike the Adaptives above, this batch is entirely homogeneous. All carry concerns related to human nature and how to answer questions related to society’s self-organization based on what we know of the tribe’s needs. There also appears to be a strong socialist bent, or at least a move away from capitalism (if we put the two on a spectrum, for the sake of analogy). More power for the government to help the disenfranchised, less power to big corporations and big businesses. There’s a strong advocacy for “the responsibility to our fellow man” which compels a legislative approach that has no qualms with all of us sacrificing a little (of our taxes) for a greater cause. There’s also a philosophical bent in some of these personalities about “what it means to be human.”

    FeNi l— Directive Female

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    The female FeNi counterparts generally appear more poised and contained (in all developments) which is also reflected in the TeNi women. There’s a bit less aggression present and a bit more delicacy, but just the same level of conviction and confidence.

    Psychology

    – Human Rights Movements
    – Leadership
    – Journalism
    – Pro-Socialism
    – Democracy
    – Advocacy of women’s power

    Politically there is a strong democratic & socialist bent to these samples, just as with the above. Ana Kasparian is an avid liberal and co-host of The Young Turks and Abby Martin is no less a liberal; advocating for the abolishing of capitalism and the need for a more humane alternative. The two are like twins! It’s so interesting to see them side by side.

    These samples may be characterized as “strong women” just as their TeSi female counterparts. They are all career-minded, successful and also outspoken. Being an actress, Sandra Bullock is less explicit about political matters but she mentions selecting acting roles that paint women in ways that break the mold. Ana Kasparian advocates female rights as well as civil rights in general, and prides herself in having worked herself up to a favorable position. “Hard work” is a motif that presents itself here, which accompanies the ethics of many FeNi’s such as Will Smith and Bruce Lee who we’ll come to next.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeNi ll– Directive Male / The Lecturer

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    So here we see what FeNi looks like with Ni energy, which causes a lot of the “push” and vigor of Fe-lead to be toned down, but not at the compromise of J-lead poise and coordination. Every gesture still “hits” in a deliberate way. When the ll– type begins a Je gesture it’s as though there’s a premeditated “target” already in place at the onset. The GIFs below demonstrate this:

    FeNi ll–


    ^ Fe Warm Swelling… landing firmly and deliberately, even if there’s a delay in the delivery.


    ^ Fe Warm Swelling… landing firmly and deliberately with a shepherding effect and a succinct point to get across.

    NiFe ll–

    Now I’d like to contrast this to the NiFe ll– types below:


    ^ Fe Swelling + P Casual Hands


    ^ Fe Swelling + P Casual Hands
    Notice how for these there is still a P-lead priority which makes the body lack a level of poise or coordination. There’s a flailing quality present, seen be a degree of casualness to the hands. They move more horizontally, rather than vertically. The head also does not nod up/down in perfect tempo with the rest of the head, shoulders and body. And so despite the slowdown in the ll– FeNi’s, they have a coordinated tempo to their whole body which is very precise and timely.

    This is actually precisely the same as the SiTe vs TeSi distinction, with the difference being less about how much energy or “Je” is being put out and more about how it’s being executed. Oddly enough FeNi ll– may be less animated or riled up than NiFe ll– at certain moments, but the NiFe ll– will drift and sway their way through their Je gestures, guided by the eyes. Oppositely, FeNi’s will nurture and guide each Je “beat” through the entire start/end cycle within a vertical and spinal place of origin. I hope that makes sense; I realize it’s a little cryptic. It helps me to look at those GIFs above a few times ^ …going back and forth between the two sets.

    Psychology

    Like the l— types, these guys also carry a message which is in some ways revolves around human nature, character, and personal responsibility or potential. Martin Luther King Jr is highly political just like The Humanist Preachers above, and he supports the cooperation of one another towards a more democratic world.

    However, the other two samples show an additional layer through a closer integration of the P axis. In Bruce Lee and Cesar Millan we see a “coaching/mentoring” role characterized by a connection to a very somatic wisdom. Bruce Lee teaches his clients how to hone their body in order to achieve authentic self-expression through it. And listening to Millan’s philosophy for dog training, it’s about understanding dogs at the instinctual level by honoring them at that level within yourself; getting in touch with the body and projecting a body-presence over them that lets them know your rank in the hierarchy. Millan teaches people how to talk to dogs through non-verbals, through their presence, stance, how much space is taken up, how long delays last between motions and commands — the building of tension, the release of tension. Bruce Lee also speaks about presence of body, and the removal of language-talk (i.e. not thinking in terms of “styles”) and a return to a kind of instinctual intelligence and and tactile grounding.

    FeNi ll– Directive Female

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    As with the samples above, we see in Oprah the same rigid and on-beat pattern despite the inertial delay to her tempo:


    Yet again we see a focus on human character, transformations of heart, maximizing personal potential and “becoming.” Oprah is an oracle in much the same way that Cesar Millan and Bruce Lee are. All three specialize in some personal domain. Oprah in the emotional world, Lee in the connection to the body, and Millan with the connection to our inner pack animal/leader. So unlike the l— types who are more generally political and spend their time debating on podiums, the ll– developments appear to spend more time in the mentor or counselor chair, translating their tools-of-the-trade to a class or workshop. This is part of the senex energy, which is the imparting of wisdom from master to pupil.

    Nonetheless, it seems both l— and ll– developments are perfectly capable of being mentors and life coaches, even if ll– lends itself to a more teacher+disciple dynamic.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeNi l-l- Adaptive Male / The Pickup Artist

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    Double extroverted energy. A combination of Je-lead forwardness with Pe loose body swaying and momentum. This conjunction can be encapsulated in the following GIFs:

    ^ Je Hand Gesture + Pe Momentum & Loose Swaying


    ^ Je Gesticulation + Pe Momentum + Pe Perk Up
    There’s a spring in their step, a bit of a suave or sassy energy, but it’s all being crafted and coordinated through a Je-lead body. Like the ll– types above, the spinal priority is never really lost and the entire presentation still emerges from a place of deliberation. It is as if these FeNi’s use Pe for “effect” and in order to embellish their otherwise more rigid Je persona. One does not get the sense that they are genuinely loose and aimless; quite the opposite they seem in control and in command but their Fe charisma uses Pe as a tool for delivery.

    Psychology

    – Smoothtalkers
    – Charmers
    – Hyper Masculine Persona
    – Pickup Artistry
    – Entertainment / Comedy

    Will Smith capitalizes on his Fe+Se charm in many of his acting roles, such as Hitch. Shemar Moore players a similarly flirtatious and suave character in his acting roles. And these qualities follow them outside of the acting studio. However this types range goes beyond PUA. The combination of Fe+Se also allows for a generally dynamic range that is fit to toggle many acting roles and high-pace situations. We see this in Michael McCrudden who is a bit of an analog to the TeSi Prolific Media Generators.

    FeNi l-l- Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    Now the difference between the adaptive l-l- types and directive l-l- types is analogous to the difference we saw between the two in the l— development. Adaptive l-l- types are suave, jovial and charismatic in their use of Se. However, Fe+Se + Directive creates a different, more delinquent energy as compared to “The Pickup Artist”. Jocko mentions loving a career with machine guns, and he has a naturally combative personality. Denzel is known for playing thugs in all his most famous films, and DJ Khaled is part of that same scene.

    FeNi l-l- Adaptive Female

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeNi l–l Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    What we see here is conscious Ti within the container of a lead Fe process. All the meticulous qualities of Ti are added to the fingers, complete with Ti pauses and disengagements, while offering no real loss of composure, resolve or compromise to his “settled” energy.

    As you can see ^ the pauses become part of the earnestness and even the build-up and timing of their coordinated presentation rather than awkward stutters or intermissions as happens with Ti revisers. Unlike the Ti-lead types who appear to have a level of drifting suspension from reality and a doubtful, open-ended demeanor, the FeNi l–l types remain still rooted in conductor energy.

    Psychology

    Ocean is describing himself through the I+N+F temperament, and also as Ji + F attitude. It’s always curious to hear people share their subjective accounts because of how they’re saying the right things but don’t have the right language to frame it. I think he is certainly right in describing himself as one who seeks to find the core essential ethics that underpin humanity and which re-manifest themselves through time. But this would be the convergence of Ti+Fe: both of which are conscious in him. It’s cases like this which I have deep sympathy for, since if you’re coming from MBTI there’s really no way to differentiate it from Fi and no other category but “Fi” for you to affiliate to.

    FeNi l–l Directive Male / The Moral Philosopher

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    Here we see the same conjunction of “confidence”, “coordination” and delicacy embedded within their body.
    Just as with Ocean we see the same conjunction of Ti under the settled energy of Fe:


    ^ Ti Delicate Pinching ..happening from a core conductor energy.


    ^ Ji Meticulous Hands …again from a settled conductor composure.


    Psychology

    We see perhaps the epitome of a Directive Fe philosophy in Malcolm X. Very much like Cesar Millan –who understands the tribal/pack nature of human nature and the need to respect and hone that dangerous power within us– Malcolm X did not see it unwise to use force if force was called for in the name of justice. We see the same acknowledgement of the dangerous, violent soul of man within the philosophy of Bruce Lee and how his teachings were aimed to channel that inner power and anger. It’s once again echoed in FeNi Jordan Peterson who reiterates the importance of viewing yourself as a creature capable of extreme darkness and malevolence, and to hone that ability and instinct.

    FeNi’s can be quite dark, it seems. But often that philosophy is centered around an unapologetic realism regarding the rawness of life, of struggle and power dynamics. Malcolm X died before his philosophy was fully able to mature, as it was on its way towards a more integrated path by the end of his life.

    Francisco Varela used Ti in less political ways and more towards understanding human nature, the nature of life and consciousness (as are common motifs for the FeNi). However, he displays a far greater heady precision in his articulation and built a Ti scaffold to hold the conclusions he came to. What we see in all three of these samples is a very carefully crafted deductive framework — which is what we would expect of conscious Ji.

    FeNi l–l Adaptive Female

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    I don’t have much insight into these two quite yet, but this section will be expanded in the future.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeNi lll- Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    There’s another one pending addition here.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeNi ll-l Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    Carl Sagan represents the maximum degree of introverted energy within an FeNi, with both Ni and Ti being conscious. His tempo is slowed down just like Bruce Lee and Cesar Millan, but his delivery is also delicate in the Ti way. While a ll– development type has a slowed down pace, there is still usually a ‘force’ and impact to the gesture. However, Carl Sagan has the pace of an ll– type, but the meticulous delivery of the l–l types. We can see this in the GIFs below:


    ^ Ni Inertia + Ti Delicate Pinching

    Here we see a J-lead rigid posture, but with a heavy dose of Pi inertia… executing a Ti delicate pinch accentuation.
    Another GIF that shows a different conjunction is this:


    ^ Ji Eyes Disengage Down + Pi Eye-Drifting + Pi Inertia
    What we see here is the combination of the eyes disengaging down while also going into a drifting zone-out. This is very similar to NiFe Humberto Maturana who also has Ni+Ti. Also, I picked these GIFs to show the maximal level of Ni+Ti impact, but a more global analysis of all his videos shows a clear Je-lead priority and certainly a very crystallized J-lead rigidity.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    FeNi l-ll Directive Male

    Spoiler:

    Now just as we’ve seen with the TeSi l-ll, the same thing occurs when a Polarized FeNi has conscious Pe, leading to a kind of hyper-jitteriness. Peterson falls into the same category as Elizabeth Warren and Camile Paglia, but on the Beta side of things.

    As with the l–l developments above, you can see the Ti signals very strongly in his:
    – Ti Puppeteer Hands
    – Ti Neutralizations
    – Ti Absent Tension
    – Ti Technical Glitching

    But you also see:
    – Pe Bubbling Momentum
    – Pe Restlessness
    – Pe Eye-Toggling


    ^ Je Gesticulation + Ti Technical Glitching + Pe Momentum
    And so Peterson has all the same Ti poise and delicacy that we see in the l–l types, but is also really¬†amped¬†in some moments. His energy swells and as it swells it fills with¬†reviser doubt. For example, he struggles to get words out, his eyes toggle all around, his head looks upward (i.e. at 0:47) and he fiddles his fingers and words forward (in a very Ti+Pe way), all the while coming¬†through¬†a Je-lead forcefulness. It’s fascinating to see the combination in the GIF above.

    Also, unlike the slow and methodical Carl Sagan above, Peterson is always thinking on his feet (revising) and re-framing his own thoughts according to how best they fall into the newly rising conversation. Sagan, on the other hand, feels like he’s got this beautifully written script in his head which he does call forth in real-time but which also seems to be pre-encoded (Pi) and ready for translation.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 3 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Mistypes

    FeSi Iyanla Vanzant

    Spoiler:

    I think when I first came across her I hadn’t accounted for the black baseline of the eyes, but a more thorough look at her eye quality and her overall body energy demonstrates an Ne buoyancy, Ne divergence, and levity. She has Si slanting edges, and an Ne gentle embedding. She is like a slightly more silly/goofy and homey version of FeNi Oprah — and seeing them side by side really helped isolate the differences.

    FeNi Ian McKellen

    Spoiler:

    So I’ve gone back and forth between NiFe and FeNi on Ian McKellen before.. and even had him as NiFe ll– in the last evaluation and the NiFe thread. But now I’m 100% sure he’s been FeNi all along. Through the process of differentiating NiFe ll– from FeNi ll–, this was made clear to me. And I think making both threads really helps in seeing the obvious. I was also using an interview of Ian that wasn’t the most helpful… but after reviewing many more interviews it becomes exceedingly clear that Ian is Je-lead as you can see in this clip above. Very rigid, very on-point, very angular, deliberate, face-centric. He’s so similar to Patrick Stewart in some moments that I swear I blend both of their faces.

    That’s all the damage I have to report. I’m generally quite satisfied with this round.
    There are more samples I still need to add, but I wanted to sketch out the available development levels first. From there, it becomes rather easy to organize the rest of the FeNi’s.

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