TiNe: The Definitive Vultology

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  • Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive
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    TiNe
    ALEMIN

    Thread #9 and the second Alpha thread. This was the most requested type by our patreon supporters, so we’re diving into it. TiNe’s are so scarce in the demographic that I will have to rely heavily on our own member base for it’s construction — as typology actually appears to be the field with the highest concentration of TiNe samples at present. But despite the small sample size, we have a fairly wide range of developments covered. No major mistypings found, but a lot of clarity was shed on what functions are conscious in each TiNe member & sample. Ok, here goes!


    Notes:

    1) The annotations (l—, ll–, lll-, llll, l–l, l-l-, l-ll, ll-l) signify function consciousness, with “l” being fully conscious and “-” being subconscious or unconscious.
    2) It seems revisers have a different vultological baseline for adaptivity/directivity that I had not yet taken into account. I may need to review the last two threads now that I’ve got a clearer understanding of this spectrum, but starting now I think this is accurate for the TiNe.

    • This topic was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TiNe l— Adaptive Male / The Translucent Observer

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    As with the FiNe baseline, we see an incredible level of momentum halting, rigidity, stillness and overall lack of animation. The Ti l— vultology is constantly receding into an interior space, withdrawing its presence from the world. And this (combined with Ne’s surreal energy) is what gives the TiNe its reputation for being wispy, ghostly, translucent and ethereal. There’s a lack of “substance” and no convincing assertion of presentation. As we move forward in this thread, this baseline quality will be come an important benchmark to compare against.

    Psychology

    – Semantic Clarification
    – Conceptual Troubleshooting
    – Elimination of Skewed Data Farmings

    Psychologically, what we see from these two sample is a criticism of information with finesse and particularity. In the full video of Linus, we see him troubleshooting the incongruities and semantic shortcomings of CT concepts. The attention is turned to where something is “off” and this is reflected also in Auburn’s statement that “most of what I’ve done in life is try to figure out what the relevant information is.” There’s a seeking for the right bits to tease apart from the whole; the kernel of clarity; the right phrasing, right conceptualization.

    TiNe l— Adaptive Female

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    The occupations of these three samples are too dispersed to make any strong connections in interests, but we see a similar approach to information. Mary-Kate Olsen is a fashion designer who has a similar technical finesse to the above samples, but which she applies to her trade. She mentions being a perfectionist at an early age, and focuses strongly on right fit, right drape, etc. This is a common theme we see shared between both Ti-lead types. Ti is not only applied exclusively to the domain of ideas but the same operation is often applied to a craft — making them niche specialists. There’s also highly personal aesthetic involved in Mary-Kate, where each piece of clothing made is something she personally likes and would wear. This shows Ji’s individualism and also Ji’s identity focus.

    In this particular video, Nadia fits more properly with Auburn and Linus, but I will have more to say on her in the next post.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TiNe ll– Adaptive Female

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    Here we see the ll– type. Notice how, unlike the l– samples (who are ghostly and translucent) these samples do appear to have some availability and interactivity with the world. Their opacity is a bit higher, although still not entirely there. Their primary comportment still rests in a rigid and vertical Ti core, but we start to see the introduction of playfulness, loose body swaying and small casual hand gestures:

    Ti Default Core:


    ^ Ji-Lead Poise + Ji Eyes Disengaging Down + Ti Neutralization


    ^ Ji-Lead Poise + Ji Eyes Disengaging Down + Ti Neutralization
    With Added Ne:


    ^ Pe Body Swaying (but without Pe-lead’s baseline bubbling undercurrent)


    ^ Pe Body Swaying (but without Pe-lead’s baseline bubbling undercurrent)
    Notice here with Kiyarii how (Pe) animated she gets in a brief burst, but also how quickly she flattens that energy down at the end of the GIF. Rather than sustaining a continuous bubbling Pe undercurrent, her Pe gestures come in little bursts before she recedes back into her delicate default state.

    We see this also in Nadia but to a lesser extent. It’s not so important how animated the burst gets, as much as what the energetic baseline of the person is. Is it a sustained, continual rhythm? Or is it intermittent? What’s the energetic toll like? With TiNe ll– there is some passive swaying and hand gestures, but the body overall remains poised and contained. Moments of animation quickly settle back down, rather than lingering as a background “hum.” And this is how we can differentiate it from NeTi. Here is an example of this settling energy versus the ongoing Pe energy:

    TiNe vs NeTi

    TiNe Kiyarii

    ^ What we see here is a constant rise and fall of momentum, as she neutralizes into Ji multiple times in the GIF. The key element here is the complete ‘retreat’ into Ji.

    NeTi Avril Lavigne

    ^ And here we see the ongoing energy of Pe (Ne), which never quite reaches zero. Even if it doesn’t animate as strongly as the energy of Kiyarii, the energy is continuous and not marked by full inner retreats. This is the defining characteristic between the two.

    TiNe ll– Directive Female

    Spoiler:

    Here we see a slightly different vultology in Bella. While the above samples carry a type of agreeable composure, an emotional responsiveness and plenty of smiles, Bella here demonstrates a degree of assertion. For a type that already has a faint disposition, directiveness doesn’t demonstrate itself as explicitly as it would in an Fe-lead like DeGrasse Tyson. Instead adaptive/directive must necessarily be matched to the energetic level of this vultology. Thus for the TiNe the key aspect of directive Fe appears to be an ability to state one’s positions without Fe warmth coating their delivery, with a lower pitch to the voice, a more matter of fact demeanor, and a presentation of (contentious) subject matter with no apology or active compromise with the audience.

    Bella is barely tilted on the side of Directive in this video, but the difference is made clearer in samples down below.

    Psychology

    – Semantic Clarification
    – Conceptual Troubleshooting
    – Elimination of Skewed Data Farmings

    Just as with the l— male samples, we find Bella pointing out incongruities in the framing of concepts. There is a pointed focus on getting closer to the “core” definitions of things and not being stuck on the emergent effects, or using the emergent effects of introversion/extroversion as the definitions of what they are. There’s parsing and differentiating. Clarification of semantics and focus on detail/precision.

    TiNe ll– Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    Quite the opposite of Bella, here with Gage we see a very adaptive vultology. Big smiles, laughs, accommodating nods. And in the video itself it’s explicitly articulated as a strategic move. This is one way that Fe can manifest in high-Ti users; as a sort of social veneer used to protect them against the world. While outwardly they may appear entirely positive, emotionally responsive and warm, internally they are dispassionate, stoic and perhaps robotic. This is what gives some high-Ti users the feeling that Fe is “fake”, although when Fe is properly conscious this is not the sentiment felt.

    The fakeness of Fe (“fake it ’til you make it”) comes from trying to channel the function without it being fully integrated into the personality. It becomes a tactical social choice (and indeed many Ti-leads are tacticians) to utilize Fe in creative ways to achieve one’s ends. And sometimes those ‘ends’ are little less than the maximization of time and energy towards Ti+Ne interests. “If I can maximally mitigate social obligations and drama by always appearing friendly, then that’s the right move.”

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TiNe l-l- Adaptive Male

    Spoiler:

    Now what we see here with Ti+Si Miyazaki is very interesting. We see all the same rigidity, reservation, and poised containment characteristic of the l— types, but with a lack of floaty ethereal energy. Instead we see the imprint of a settled Senex energy atop of that Ji composure. While he remains still most of the time, his movements carry a Pi viscosity to them and are fighting to re-ground themselves. Here are a few GIFs showing this effect:

    Ti Default Core


    Ti+Si Inertia


    Notice the tempo with which the arms fall back down. It follows the same rhythm we see in Carl Jung and other Pi types, except the rendezvous point is a Ji Tower. Now Miyazaki does have some Je gestures here and there, but it is nowhere near conscious levels. This sample makes a bit more sense when contrasted against the l-ll samples further down below.

    As far as his Fe’s attitude goes, we see –like with Gage– an agreeable energy, a responsiveness/adaptiveness to the audience and many placid smiles.

    Psychology

    Those who know Miyazaki personally know he’s an obsessive Ji perfectionist, very meticulous with his craft and picky about specifics. He is known to have a very slow production time in comparison to other filmmakers because of how keen he is in making his stories feel aligned to his original vision. His personal aim in his animation is to capture the real moments of life (the qualia of it) in narrative form (Si) properly. And the success of his films is in large part due to this signature approach, which adds a level of relatability to otherwise fictional characters that other producers don’t have. For example, he actually bases children characters in his movies off of the daughters of his friends or loved ones, including the facial expressions they make.

    This shows a combination of Ti precision/delicacy and Si precedent/narrative/atmosphere, all the while… painted into a fantastical Ne dream world with the goal of teaching some moral lesson about connection.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TiNe l–l Adaptive Male / The Psychoanalyst

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    Here we see the l–l development, wherein Fe is properly conscious. As we’ve noted in other threads, Je consciousness is not marked by the presence of hand gestures themselves but in the resoluteness, force and presence they carry and are delivered with. Below we have a few GIFs showing the difference in energy between this development and the previous ones:

    Non-Conscious Je Gestures

    Conscious Je Gestures

    As we can also see, the l–l samples lack the playfulness of the ll– types and the viscosity of the l-l- types, having an altogether different way of diverging away from the l— baseline. Their vultology is stiffer, more regulated and controlled. Having the entire J axis conscious causes a strong focus on relaying their opinions with inflection and persuasion.

    TiNe l–l Adaptive Female / The Psychoanalyst

    Spoiler:

    We see the same thing presented here with Alerith, both Auburn and Alerith having essentially the same vultology at this point in time. At the time we made these videos we identified as “TiNe-Fe”, the Fe subtype “Psychoanalyst”, and it turns out that TiNe-Fe was TiNe l–l all along. We don’t see Ne visually present (no loose body swayings, bubbling momentum, perk ups) but we see the complete J axis represented.

    Psychology

    These samples have a keen focus on psychology, human nature and the meticulous examination of people. But more than it being a passive interest, it appears to also become a center point of their work. The same Ji precision that other TiNe’s apply to their craft… is applied here to the differentiation of human qualities. There is a type of dissection of the soul, to examine it as if like a laboratory specimen. In some sense these types mirror the FiNe samples who focus on their interiority to inform them about what it means to be a living being. Yet the TiNe l–l approach the matter a little more from the outside-in than from the inside-out, focusing on what the externalities of humans (acts) can say about the underlying structure that evidences them.

    The Psychoanalyst more generally applies to the use of Ti+Fe in any hierarchy, as the “question of human nature” is explored philosophically with the goal of deriving axioms (Ti) of conscious experience from the aggregated observable social effects (Fe) and creations people make in the world.

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 4 weeks ago by Auburn.
    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    lll-

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TiNe ll-l Adaptive Female / The Socially Present

    Spoiler:

    This ll-l development represents the most engaged and animated that a TiNe can be. Double extroversion within a Ji-lead framework. Paradoxically this makes them appear more “extroverted” than your baseline l— extrovert, energetically speaking. However, all this energy (Pe+Je) is coming from a maximal personal exertion which can be seen in the energetic tolls of the body. We see both Pe and Je signals present such as in these GIFs:

    Pe


    Je


    Unlike the l–l types who are more stiff and keep their signals along a vertical (spinal) axis, the ll-l development also swerves and glides with Pe energy.

    And yet despite this energy, there is a Ji struggle present in each outward motion that we don’t see in other adjacent developments like the NeTi lll-. The body still retains a puppeteer quality making these outward bursts of energy feel like “efforts” more than they represent a native state. The body is quick to recede back into itself immediately after a series of gestures completes, demonstrating a paradoxical polarity in energy levels. And it’s in this energetic toll that we can identify what function is really the most native. The body of a Ji-lead, despite having Pe+Je conscious, will continue to retreat back into its tower at every opportunity.

    Psychology

    This development is titled “the socially present” because of what this represents to the TiNe. It is difficult for this type, perhaps more than any other, to feel like an embodied entity taking up real space in a world made of things and people. Far too easily, the world becomes an abstraction and the body disengages accidentally from things, even if the motivation is to be there. The usually ghost-like demeanor of the TiNe transforms into one that is vibrant and participatory. Amy Cuddy has essentially dedicated her career –as types often do– to conquering the challenges of her type. Her book “Presence”, while applicable to all people, is especially applicable to introverted and passive personalities such as her own. And much of her advice is only ever a novelty or discovery to those who –like her– find it difficult to manifest their whole self in the moment.

    TiNe ll-l Directive Female / The Social Overcomer

    Spoiler:

    Compilation (watch full screen)

    The TiNe ll-l is “the social overcomer” as it represents, just as “the socially present”, a kind of rise to do the opposite of what a TiNe’s native energy entails. However, for the directive version there is also a separation from social expectation, an individuality that also presents a sort of “emotional autonomy.” While Amy Cuddy rises to the challenge of being socially visible and engaged, her mind and psyche remain locked into the social game of give and take. Alanis Morissette, by comparison, has spent a life growing away from Fe’s grip of social expectation and developed a resistance to outer influence while still being engaged to her Fe. Like the l–l Psychoanalysts variety, these individuals spend a great deal of time on human nature, the reconciliation of opposites and the similarities/differences in people’s characters.

    TiNe ll-l Directive Male

    Spoiler:
    This development is under revision, and not properly represented.

    And here we have the ‘final form’ of Auburn who we’ve seen in the l— and l–l developments earlier. Unlike the l–l video which showed a very contained, vertical and unchanging rigidity, here we see his body drift and sway as well as animate more freely. There is Pe momentum embedded in the domination of the J axis. Also, we have noticed a shift from Adaptive to Directive.

    Auburn is, like the aforementioned ll-l, an analyst of human nature, preoccupied with the question of “what it means to be human” but also a dissector of that question through very technical means. Like The Social Overcomer, there’s an active challenge to manifest in ways that are rather foreign. The question of ‘participation’ and ‘contribution’ to humanity become all the more pressing when one feels their voice is so faint and meek. The TiNe, of this shade, aims to counterphobically surpass this meekness with Fe’s fire and make some valuable social change.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    TiNe l-ll Directive Male / The Technical Grandfather

    Spoiler:

    With Si+Fe conscious, this represents as far out as the TiNe energy can go into the conductor domain. Indeed, one might wonder why Noam is not a Pi-lead type in some of his recent videos due to his old age (which adds noise factors to Pi viscosity). But I found that a proper examination of his younger material really confirms how much J rigidity he possesses. We see in the two samples above the same vultology as l-l- Miyazaki but with an added emphasis on the accentuation of conscious Je.

    Psychology

    I know Lynn Hoag personally, and he is a farmer. But he’s no ordinary farmer; he’s a public speaker who gives lectures on the methodologies he’s developed to maximize plant growth by raising them in ideal conditions. He’s spent decades refining his craft, experimenting season after season with micro-adjustments to the soil and extracted key principles of farming. He adds rocks, PVC pipes and other things to the soil to make air pockets for the roots to breathe in, to change the magnetic properties of the soil, etc. Each plot of land is individually soil-tested for it’s particular ratio of all available minerals, and what is missing in the soil is added in his ideal proportions. Just as with Mary-Kate Olsen with her fashion lines, and Miyazaki with his filmmaking, Lynn is known for his delicately tailored method.

    Now Noam Chomsky scarcely needs introduction, but it suffices to say he’s an accomplished author who likewise spends a great deal of time parsing out the causes/effects of the social and political machinery of the world. He’s a diagnostician, which appears to be the common theme across all these samples. However, just like Lynn, he’s also a public speaker and has a mission to spread this truth to the world.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    llll

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Typing Clarifications

    TiSe l— Jelle

    Spoiler:

    Addressing the question of SeTi or TiSe for Jelle, just as with Nadia we are able to see a clearer picture of her vultology starting with her least modulated state. Here in an earlier video we see what her energy is like when in Ti mode, without the additions of Se and Fe. Again as with Nadia, a video like this could not be produced by an SeTi ll– since for the SeTi there would be an energetic penalty, restriction and stress in going down energetically from native Se to their Ti. Instead what we see with Jelle is a native state introversion that is almost identical to the TiNe l— analogs and which actually *struggles* to come outward. The SeTi ll– samples just have to let go of the breaks to resume (casual) movement and there is no exertion involved the way we see it here.

    Moving onto the next video: (edit: better video coming soon)

    TiSe ll-l Jelle

    Spoiler:

    Comparison (watch full-screen)

    Here we see TiSe ll-l Jelle against TiNe ll-l Bella, where we can clearly see the similarities in their energy, tempo, and bodily architecture. Both are very animated and active, but there is still a ‘core’ structure from which each gesture emerges and which remains a sanctum where the energies retreat between the gaps.

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