I'm happy to announce the implementation of surveys in CT, as well as the first version of a survey. You can take it at the following link (please sign-in before taking it, so the results are under your member account):
This is a 40 question energetics survey, aimed to give a person a psychological perspective on their energetic distribution. These questions were extracted directly from the corresponding behavioral profiles.
The idea behind this comes from the need to add greater experimental control to CT. In order to see whether or not the vultology results are matching the psychology of the video submitters or volunteers, a new protocol will begin rolling out now. Here is an overview of what this new protocol will entail:
In brief, video submitters will be asked to take a survey after they've sent in their videos. The survey will try to measure their psychology by asking them directly.
Afterwards, the results of the survey will be compared to the results of their visual report to see how closely the two match. This gives CT a clear target of what it is trying to measure, and whether or not it is succeeding in measuring it from a vultological angle.
Existing members also have not been vetted against a survey, so you're more than welcome to do so. Feel free to post the results of your survey in this thread.
Disclaimer: I do not know yet how well constructed this survey is, and am hoping your results can help me determine if it needs adjustment. Psychometrics are relatively easy to make since they're circular, so once we iron out a survey that matches the profiles, we'll know whether or not the vultologies match the expected psychologies.
Disclaimer 2: I do not yet know how well this survey captures development levels, and I am guessing it will mostly capture the ego. I'll be working on more sophisticated surveys in the future that vet the four 'aspects of integration', in order to identify development level from a psychological angle. For now, I would be happy if this survey captures the lead process.
Alright, here goes!
An important Discord question, that I think needs mention here:
How is it different than just getting typed?
It's quite different. Psychometrics are circular by nature, so they don't necessarily tell you much about your innate reality that you don't tell them yourself. You feed something into them, and they give it back to you with some extra details that are not too hard to infer. So if you score high on a category here, the odds of you fitting the profile of that category is high, because the questions are extracted from said category. So, it's almost a tautological typing method. CT is not like this though -- as it tries to tell you something about you without this circularity crutch.
I don't have a high opinion of psychometrics because they give the illusion of profundity. However, they can serve an important role in being a control for experimentation.
The point here would be to use the survey not as a typing tool, but as an experimental control to measure vultology against, to see if vultology can independently match the psychological results. That would be much harder to do.
I will do it again after some time. ✌
It can be easy to manipulate if you already know some of the things, but I tried to be sincere with it.
Mine are :
Your Energetic Results
Here are your energetic results! The bars below estimate how much behavioral development you have in each energetic area. We each have all four energetics in us, but at different developments. For more information on these energetics, visit the Ji, Je, Pi and Pe behavioral profiles.
6 out of 12.5
5.5 out of 12.5
2.25 out of 12.5
2 out of 12.5
The lead is clear but I should be Fi conscious and not Ni conscious. 🙂
My first impression is this could be because the Pi questions might overlap a bit for Se-Ni users with Se realism...and the Ji questions could have been set a bit higher than what a regular Ji conscious person would necessarily be aiming for. And it should be added Ji conscious people will make sure they answer the exact question, and not based on the general vibe/main theme of the question, so if one point is higher than what they would normally aim for, they will say no, I am not doing this, I am not living up to this ideal or even have this ideal in mind.
I will give some examples :
I am nitpicky about what I do, and either put in the time to do something perfectly or not at all.
I actually am nitpicky with what I do, but I couldn't say I am aiming to do it perfectly. I do have standards, but they are not that high. I am curious if other Ji conscious people feel the same way. What do you guys think?
By the way, some of the Je questions seemed similar in terms of very high expectations. But since I am not Je conscious, those could very well simply reflect Je motivation levels accurately, only I never experienced them, hence they look superhuman to me. :))
We should exercise caution when attempting to discard things that have persisted for a long time.
Do you need Pi to say yes to this one or can Se realism lead to a similar answer? If these things worked for a long time by being in a certain way and you suddenly change them or discard them, there are high chances you will make matters worse, since every discarded thing impacts the entire previous construction that did work. And things should not be assumed to work, they should be assumed to not work, chaos is the basis we are starting from.
I am not sure I don't have a bias though. But if so, is it an Ni bias or just an Se-Ni bias..? Do I need to use Ni to Se this? 🙂
Or I could have lost Fi while trying to integrate Ni. :))
Oh, Wolf, yours is perfectly accurate ! Nice !
I saw what each question was looking for, but answered honestly, yes, I think anyone who knows CT would see what each question checks anyway.
You might be on to something here, Auburn.
I'm definitely looking forward to seeing where this will go 🙂
here u go
Oh my gosh, my poor Pi 😅
ETA: I rarely select "strongly" anything on these types of tests. I don't know if that negatively affects my results (I still resulted in Pe lead, after all), but just an fyi. I tend to see myself as far too permeable and flighty to have strong black/white opinions about my behaviors, thoughts, etc.
@Eric, where is your Pe?? 😮
Eric told me the questions changed, so I took it again... but I think he is confused, because they look the same to me. At any rate, I tried to be more thoughtful this time through and less afraid of the "strongly agree/disagree" option. Basic proportions are the same... so, woohoo? But I am still bummed to see that Eric's results don't match his dev-levels. Maybe he needs to submit a new video 😉
My PE is right there. 1.25. out of 12.5. See?
Here are my results. Not super differentiated from one another; they are all pretty similar. Je is clearly the furthest from my focus, but it could be more neglected.
My Ji is last?
I didn't take a screenshot, but my results were:
I think in reality my behavior matches the predicted profile of my vultological energetics quite well, but that wasn't necessarily captured by the results of the survey - except for the fact that I did get the highest score in Ji, which is a win.
Probably the biggest issue for me was the issue I have with almost every psychological survey I take - I found it hard to answer many of the questions because I wanted to answer "It depends" to everything, and I rarely answered "strongly agree" or "strongly disagree" for anything. Is that in and of itself a Ji trait? Or maybe Ne, actually. Or a combination - because I really want to be accurate in my answers and I immediately see both sides of each question, so it's hard to answer them.
Some thoughts I had about the individual questions:
"People have told me that I can come across as pushy and bossy."
For this one, if I were only answering from the perspective of the majority of people I've known, I would answer "strongly disagree," but I know that in my very close relationships (like with family or romantic partners), I do actually have this trait somewhat. I wonder if this might be related to heartitude though.
"There is no need to rush into something until one has understood the situation sufficiently."
Is this Pi or Ji? It seems like it could be either. I definitely agree with this statement, and I am sometimes paralyzed in inaction because I'm trying to make sure I understand things sufficiently before I act.
"I am nitpicky about what I do, and either put in the time to do something perfectly or not at all."
I assume this is meant to be Ji, but I actually don't think this describes me well. I guess it's just stated so strongly that it becomes un-relatable to me. There are lots of things I do a half-assed job at, but I don't feel good about it. I would relate more to something like "It's difficult for me to finish things because I struggle with accepting that what I've done is good enough" or "There are certain things that I get very nitpicky about, and it's hard for me to let the little imperfections go."
"My pursuit for a personal identity that matches me best has taken me far from my starting culture and background."
This is another one that was perhaps just stated too strongly for me. If I just read this in a description of Ji, I would relate to it because there are a lot of things I believe or do that are not mainstream in my culture, but I didn't feel like I could honestly agree or strongly agree with this statement on the survey because in most major ways I'm still very much a part of the culture and family I grew up in. I still live in the country I was born in, I got married and have a kid as is often expected of women my age, I bought a house in a little midwestern town like the one I grew up in, etc. I'm not really hugely different than other people in my culture. I'm just a bit eccentric perhaps because I like to let weeds grow in my lawn instead of grass, and I had a home birth, and I sleep on the floor instead of in a bed, etc. I guess it's just a matter of degree, and perhaps it's my Ji that makes it hard for me to agree that I'm really that far from my starting culture and background.
"No compromise is a good compromise."
This is another one that I think might be aimed at Ji, but that I didn't really agree with. I think one problem here is that when I hear "compromise" in this sentence I imagine being in a minor disagreement with someone and compromising (e.g. I want to have tacos for dinner and my husband wants to have pizza, so we agree to have one for dinner tonight and the other for dinner tomorrow night), and I'm definitely in favor of that. It's compromising my ideals that I struggle with (e.g. I think home schooling is the ideal way to educate your kid, but I don't think I can mentally handle the workload, so I'm going to compromise by sending him to Montessori school).
Another issue with this question, which I think might be a problem with any question that relates to your beliefs rather than your behavior, is that sometimes what your logical brains believes in theory and what some deeper part of your brain (your cognitive functions) pushes on you might be different things. The logical part of my brain believes that in theory compromising your ideals is sometimes the right thing to do. But there is a deeper part of my brain (Ji, I suppose) that tries really hard to sabotage that belief and make me feel terrible every time I consider compromising my ideals.
"We should exercise caution when attempting to discard things that have persisted for a long time."
Maybe it's just me, but this one seems too easy to agree with even if you don't have strong Pi. Isn't this just common sense? I mean - it's not saying that we shouldn't discard things that have persisted for a long time, or that the fact that they have existed for a long time is reason enough to keep them around, but just that we should have caution when discarding them. And of course we should, right? Because if they've been around for a long time they probably have deep connections to things that aren't obvious and so discarding them will have non-obvious consequences that we should be prepared for. I don't know, maybe I just have stronger Pi than I thought.
"I have a fixation on purity, causing me to struggle to do or say anything that feels impure to me."
This is another one where I know that I have the Ji behavior that this is referring to, but the way it's worded makes it hard for me to agree with. Saying you have a fixation on purity sounds like being a member of the Aryan Youth or something. I think for me it would be more accurate (ha) to say "I have a fixation on accuracy, causing me to struggle to do or say anything that feels inaccurate to me," however I'm guessing that that version of it wouldn't be relatable to all Ji folks. Maybe better would be "I have a fixation on being true to myself, causing me to struggle to do or say anything that feels like it's not me."
"I'm always picking up new crafts and skills, even though I also abandon the ones I've already learned."
I really wanted to agree with this one because I know it's probably trying to pick up an aspect of Pe that I know I have, but I couldn't really agree because for me this behavior doesn't really manifest in crafts or skills or things I physically do, but moreso in interests (i.e. just stuff I like to learn about).
"I don't understand how to get to where I'm going, but I trust my inner sense of alignment to guide me."
Is this supposed to be Ji? I don't really relate to it at all. I wish I knew where I was going, and I don't expect my inner sense of alignment to necessarily lead me anywhere I want to go.
One idea that occurs to me is that perhaps these energetics might captured more accurately if we focused on people's flaws and what they struggle with. Like, anyone might enjoy variety and a feeling of newness, but it's going to be the people with strong Pe who need it so much that it causes problems in their lives. Similarly, anyone might agree that we should be cautious when discarding things that have been around for a long time, but it's going to be folks strong in Pi who believe this so deeply that they sometimes struggle to let go of old ideas that they really ought to let go of. Does that make sense?
My sister Brooke, FiNe ll—, said I could post hers. She’s not much of a forum person.
She's another FiNe without a Ji-first result and who struggled not to select neutral on most of the questions. I expressed my own trouble with that, but I’ve had more experience with these tests and kinda know better than to be too neutral, though I’m tempted ... so, it could be an Ne-related issue too
Fascinating results so far! I could say a lot but I'll wait to see who else pitches in.
@fayest42 , hehe, yeah bella called this Ji minimalism. Alexander had the same problem, getting very low scores on everything due to perpetual questioning and nitpicking the questions themselves. He's got very Ji heavy vultology too.
I'll see if I can clarify the question phrasing. I expected to run into some of these framing issues. I do think there are ways to capture more of the 'flaws/struggles' aspect, rather than just capturing the positively affirmed aspects.
For those who scored highest on a function that does not match their lead in vultology, what do you think of the result?
Do you think it more accurately reflects your psychology, or was there something about the framing of the questions that enabled that test output? Do you think the questions are in need of work, or were too lenient/strict in some ways? ...or do you think the face-value results better match you, when reading the full energetic profiles?
If it helps, here are the questions I was most nitpicky with and my reasons:
There is no need to rush into something until one has understood the situation fully
I need context for this question. It really depends on the situation. Are we talking about putting together a piece of ikea furniture or planning an uprising? If rushing in will harm no one but myself - sure why not? I do it all the time. I regret it too. Then I do it again. There’s a strong conflict between what I think I need to do and what I actually do. I am impulsive and revisory.. I jump in, then try to back track and wish I had thought things through in hindsight.
We should exercise caution when attempting to discard things that have persisted for a long time
Context, again. It depends on the situation.
I’m not enraptured by the glitter of new ideas, as I think we should be cautious about how we integrate big changes into existing structures
Similar context conflict with this one as with the previous two questions. Additionally - I am very enraptured by the “new,” but I also see this is a flaw in my character that needs tempering. I think we/I “should” be cautious, but I do not walk what I preach.
People come to me for the dependability of my perspective, in order to receive stable and temperate advice
People have come to me for advice, often enough for it to seem like I’m inviting it, but I have no idea what the attraction is. I do not consider my perspective dependable. I am wishy wash and flighty and so open minded it's kind of a joke. But I dunno.. I mean, I sorta feel like I give good advice too, despite my unstable perspectives. Or maybe I misunderstand what is meant by “dependable perspective” here.
I go along with life’s situations and then find myself in places i didn’t expect + I don’t understand how to get to where I am going, but I trust my inner sense of alignment to guide me.
These two, as a pair, threw me off. I don’t plan very far into the future and often end up in unexpected places. I have places I wish I’d end up, but I don’t work too hard to plan for them. I expect the unexpected and I’m also attracted to the mystery of the unknown. I sometimes enjoy imagining my life as a daily roll of the dice. At the same time, I trust my inner sense of alignment to guide me on the path of optimal spiritual growth. I have no idea what that really looks like or where it is, but I trust my inner guide to take me there.
I’m always picking up new crafts and skills, even though I abandon the one’s I’ve already learned.
I do not *always* abandon the ones I’ve already learned. It may be more accurate to phrase this as picking up new skills before having mastered previous ones and/or dropping crafts before ever really learning them due to sudden disinterest.
I put way too much on my plate at once and end up not mastering much of anything, even though I continue to dabble in the old stuff.
Additionally – I am very enraptured by the “new,” but I also see this is a flaw in my character that needs tempering. I think we/I “should” be cautious, but I do not walk what I preach.
@Shelley-Lorraine Yes, this is similar to what I was trying to express when I was talking about the "No compromise is a good compromise" question. Sometimes we see the error in what our cognitive functions are trying to convince us of, and so what we believe may not match up with what our cognitive functions cause us to actually act out.
Tried to answer the questions as directly and honestly as possible without consideration for the energetic each one represented. These results made a lot of sense to me, as did the questions. The function I place the highest value on is Je (pragmatism is best -ism), which makes perfect sense if it's the ego that takes prominence in the survey's results. The other three (integrated) functions being nearly identical in their scoring is predictable in hindsight, because I've likely been at my current dev level for many years; I feels that I identify with and value those energetics/functions close to equally.
Ah, one question which might skew results towards Je is the one that reads, "When I have no work to do I tend to feel inept and can fall into depression." I definitely think this question might have some overlap with Je, but from what I've experienced and observed in others + my understanding of the literature on depression, I think this is a near-universal human trait. Perhaps if this question was reworded to something about the work being more Je-specific it would be improved, as high-Pe types seem especially inclined to do a lot of 'work' that might not resemble what a high-Je type would consider 'work'.