FiNe & the MBTI

[Ash Rose]

Lol @auburn!! You’ve been missing out on some delicious drama.

@animal His final typing of you, but didn’t get to tell you, was ESI. I insisted you were likely Se lead, but he didn’t agree.
I see Pi and NT in him too. He may be NiT- after all like everyone thought. However, his eyes do the same slight “Ne toggling” that mine also do. It’s like a subtle electric undercurrent. I may never know.

[Animal]

lol at delicious drama 😀
When you put some Fi's together... 😉 😉
(sorry I couldnt resist!)
@elisaday Your husband may definitely be NiT.  Omg.. Now that you bring it up, that was the type I was arguing for him!!! I just remembered.
It's weird, I have a visual memory. I remember exactly where I was when I told @ivory about my new ideas on your types. I pegged you as Fi (wasnt sure which) and him as Alpha NT. We were walking around a lake near where we live, and the air was chilly. I remember exactly where we were sitting, on a bench by the lake at night, when I was rambling on and on about your types 😀
And... then, after that, I said "No wait.. I think he's NiTe." But I had forgotten that part, and never fully settled on it.
That might actually make sense.

[Faex]

But now I realized I might be wrong because I was only considering PeFis ! This may be subjective but if you look at conversations between PeFis you can’t miss the fact that we open up very fast to each other about emotional topics and every post of one of us is followed by posts of others that tend to be subjective and emotional. I did not see any exception till now and I don’t see any major difference between NeFi and SeFi or between seelie Fi users and unseelie Fi users.
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I have no idea how this is explained by CT but I could give you countless examples of PeFi conversations that go this way. We have one in the thread about Female Figures in Religion and in the Media. If you observe, me, Animal, tea and fae are all doing this and it goes on and on and on. Almost no adaptation to the other is needed, the talk just unfolds.

Oh, hey! I never noticed that, @bera. I think you're right! My interactions with dear Pan on discord were this way too! (She's SeFi I--- Seelie, like you; And my typing of her was NeFi II-- at first, lol. Like me.)
I agree there doesn't seem to be a big difference in this regard between Seelie/Unseelie PeFi, but personally, I think that's cause @Animal isn't exactly unseelie. This dimension is, I think, the most--er--flexible one in the typing, from what I've seen so far. Animal seems more like what I'd call "balanced", with access to both sides of that continuum. Her disagreements have no sass; not much sarcasm to them. They are straightforward, kinda child-like, and I've come personally to associate that with seelieness. That's what gives her that "100% honest" vibe. Unseelies seem to drip sass every other second, lol. We can all do that (and we do!) when we're in a sufficiently bad mood, but I have to say I've seen tons of Animal's arguments and have yet to pick up on that particular energy.

But this might not apply to Fi leads ! Fi leads tend to Fi in a different way than PeFis.   I noticed this with Chalier and Pine. They don’t usually say things like – oh and this happened and I felt this way !!! OMG, I also felt the exact same way when this other thing happened !!! .
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Now Fi leads tend to talk in a more abstract (?) way. Like Ti leads also do. And this is what I was getting from you and what made me actually doubt you could be an Fi user. But I did not consider that Fi leads can be so different from PeFi.

I do have to say I think you're right about this too! When @Pine first came around we were all sure she had conscious Ni. But we could see Fi, so we thought she was FiNi (FiSe with Ni conscious). I found her poetic talk quite criptic, lol, and I have tons Fi myself! I argued with Aub about it a little bit and he mentioned that mothgirl (also FiNe II--) had the same strong cryptish tendencies. Now I see that @elisaday has also been typed the same shade of FiNe (II---, Seelie), and wonder if there's a more direct relationship between this particular kind of FiNe (II--) and Ni, @auburn?
I mean beyond the tendency noted here of FiNes generally typing as INFJ. (By the way, I did too, before CT. I stuck to it sometimes but would drop it because I came to know Ne toggling lol, and I saw in my vids all the toggling my busy little eyes do, he he! Eyes on crack!) I mean FiNes II- giving off conscious Ni vibes, especially cryptic talk and strong woo-tendencies (Ni vibes in our system, not MBTI).

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[Animal]

@faerie
This may be a conversation for another thread...

Seelie & Adaptive vs. Unseelie & Directive: Is it Related to Conflict Avoidance?

I'm emotionally permeable. I don't do sass.
 
EDIT
For anyone reading this, @Auburn was right, I'm unseelie. The explanation is in his post on the thread above.

[Animal]

I do have to say I think you’re right about this too! When @pine first came around we were all sure she had conscious Ni. But we could see Fi, so we thought she was FiNi (FiSe with Ni conscious). I found her poetic talk quite criptic, lol, and I have tons Fi myself! I argued with Aub about it a little bit and he mentioned that mothgirl (also FiNe II–) had the same strong cryptish tendencies. Now I see that @elisaday has also been typed the same shade of FiNe (II—, Seelie), and wonder if there’s a more direct relationship between this particular kind of FiNe (II–) and Ni, @auburn?
I mean beyond the tendency noted here of FiNes generally typing as INFJ. (By the way, I did too, before CT. I stuck to it sometimes but would drop it because I came to know Ne toggling lol, and I saw in my vids all the toggling my busy little eyes do, he he! Eyes on crack!) I mean FiNes II- giving off conscious Ni vibes, especially cryptic talk and strong woo-tendencies (Ni vibes in our system, not MBTI).

 
To me a lot of the problem is coming in because of descriptions.
Having spoken to many Pe and Pi leads on Discord, and knowing other Pi and Pe leads irl, I have to say that the "shamanistic" channeling of energy belongs to Pe, not Pi.
I've had visions all my life, synchronicity; my NeFi friend is like this too.
Here, and in most other places, Pe is treated like a childish, "I'm bored, I need more stimulation" function. While all the other functions are given these deep, glamorous descriptions where they tap into the aether in various ways,  both Ne and Se are described as being children  that are bored and have ADD.  Ne is 'seeking intellectual stimulation" and Se is "doing skateboarding tricks." All for fun.
In reality, this is not how things pan out. Some Pi leads, Ji leads and Je leads are dull, bored, boring or stupid, just as some Pe leads can be.  But the descriptions make those types sound like the baseline is one of intelligence and wisdom; whereas the Pe baseline is treated as a 1D idiot who just needs some stimulation.
I do think Auburn resolved some aspects of this, tapping into the depths, but I think there's still more synchronicity, "visions" and tapping into the "flow" and dream-life that is missing from our current understanding of Pe.
This is why most Pe leads think they're Ji or Pi based on descriptions. Because we simply are not being given credit for the actual talents that we have.  The structural model treats us as "needing stimulation" and being "open ended" with "no need for self improvement" and "no interest beyond the immediate stimulation in the moment" when in fact, both Se and Ne are capable of tremendous virtuosity and channeling the rhythm of the world.  Even in their most basic form, I--- .
There's a certain virtuosity in tapping into the vivid dream life, gathering impressions moment to moment and weaving together predictions, foresight and visions that is positively not acknowledged in any description anywhere; even though it's pervasive among all the Pe users everywhere. These are often the ones that are spiritual, tapping into the aether etc.
The problem is that Pe leads aren't writing descriptions. We may appear chaotic to the outside eye, and we are a little chaotic 😉 but there's a rhythm in our chaos, that we are tapping into , and others don't get it.
I'm still percolating my own Se description and how to resolve some of this.
I think Auburn comes closer to resolving this than anyone has before. But the more Pe leads I meet, the more certain I am that there's something huge missing from the Pe descriptions and some of it is being given wrongly to Pi. For instance I've talked to a few NiFe's about my vivid dream life and predictions, and they can't relate to it.  There's a whole spiritual side here that is pervasive among Pe users. All the other functions get these deep spiritual treatments aside from us. Have you noticed that?
So this is why so many people mistype as Ni. Jung was prejudiced against Pe, and extroverts in general. There's all this deep intelligent glamour around other types, so anyone with high ability in 'cosmic channeling' would think they're Ni instead of high Pe.
When reading a Pe description, the word that comes to mind is "shallow."  One could argue that any function on its own is "shallow" - however the other descriptions aren't treated this way.

[Faeruss]

@animal Very well said.
 
The wisdom of the Flow has been underestimated in typology communities. We have empirical research on this ---the flow state---, and I would not be surprised if Pe-leads would be particularly attuned to these types of peak experiences.
 
I wrote this the other day after having channeled a particularly good Se-flow-state-dance:

The existence—the felt existence—of potential within oneself is a fountain of strength like no other, capable of turning any dessert into an oasis with luscious trees and succulent fruit.

 

[Ash Rose]

@animal Yes, that’s right! In art school they would tell me my art was shamanistic: a gateway between worlds. This baffled me at the time as I wasn’t consciously trying to make it than way. My dreams are insanely vivid and prophetic and I have visions daily. Synchronicities and signs all guide my decisions and I see everything in the universe as connected and interdependent. My third eye is incredibly vivid as well. I’m into all the woo: astrology, magic, tarot, etc and practice it daily. According to Human Design only my crown and third eye chakra are connected and active while the rest of my body is disconnected, open to suggestion, and my dominant planet is my 12th house Neptunian Moon. This makes me the High Priestess in Tarot.
Ne/Si is always said to reject this kind of thing.

[Animal]

@elisaday @faeruss
Would you guys mind copying your posts onto this thread?

Pe Descriptions. Should we focus on Hunter-Gatherer, Synchronicity, Channeling?

 
I think this needs to be delved into. The typology community going to run into endless problems with people thinking they are INFJs until this is addressed. I feel like undervaluing of Pe, and treating it incorrectly as a 'bored child'  - is the linchpin behind why INFJ is so coveted and overtyped.  Auburn is always open to look at evidence that comes his way and reconsider; so this is not to villianize or criticize him, but to put our heads together and see if we can vocalize some major themes that may be missing from the common treatment of Pe.

[Faeruss]

@animal Not at all, go for it 🙂

[Ash Rose]

@auburn @animal @faeruss @bera @fae and whomever else I may have forgotten participated in this conversation, I finally got around to making a video. Sorry it looks like I’m flipping the bird in the thumbnail. That wasn’t my choice and it won’t let me change it 😛
https://youtu.be/fId7wZbOStE

[Faex]

@elisaday, you remind me so much of Pine! She's FiNe II-- Seelie too! All I see is Seelie radiation n softness plus Fi Lead, the Disney Princess/Snow White thing to a T! By the way, Pine is VERY analytical, logical, philosophical, and gets into debates too! I don't know who you were compared to (that you mentioned in the vid) but just to let you know. I know I'm not FiNe myself but I'm seelie too yet super opinionated, stubborn, and feisty (the stuff you mentioned about getting into debates) etc.
Here's Pine:

[Ash Rose]

@fae Yes, Pine was one of the ones I was compared to and again I just don’t really see it. I even saw her video back when she had it in the type me thread and typed her as FiNe to myself. Also I remember her way of writing being entirely different from mine. She’s far more esoteric and erudite than I am, IMO.
Yes, the Snow White/Disney Princess thing is something I’ve gotten my whole life and I’ve always been self-conscious about it. I tried to cover it up by acting more “cool” and “tough.” At one point someone recently told me I’m like Snow White who has done a lot of drugs.
This is very fascinating to me, you guys! I think the shadow has a lot to do with this phenomenon. It’s like whatever I’m self-conscious about I simply can no longer SEE in myself. I can see it in others, but even when it’s pointed out to myself it’s still buried under layers of stubborn fog. This probably has a lot to do with Fi and having zero Se. Fascinating.
***EDIT***
Just wanted to add it’s incredibly flattering being compared to Pine as I think she lovely and charming with a sophisticated grace and maturity to her that seems lacking in myself. My hope is that she doesn’t take anything I say about the FiNe type the wrong way. Before I started learning about Vultology I actually was typing as MBTI INFP, but started to question whether or not I chose that type due only to admiration and perhaps wasn’t actually being honest with myself.

[Faeruss]

@elisaday
Your most recent video seems not to represent you very faithfully, and I think you are looking at yourself in the camera. I suggest recording a video where you don't do that.

[Bera]

@elisaday
Faeruss is right ! Also, if you make a new one, which would be great, don't show or talk about specific signals, because it actually makes typing harder because people - well, at least Se users like me? -need to shift focus from you talking naturally to you exemplifying specific expressions on your face and back to you talking naturally and it's harder to do this then to just follow you talk.
You said your room is your cocoon in which you transform into a butterfly. That's beautiful !!! ❤️ Can you maybe elaborate a bit? How come it's your cocoon? Is there something  about your room that makes you feel this way? Or a specific event that makes you think of this?
I think Auburn will say more when he returns but maybe more exploration is needed and we could do that until then.
Oh.. another question - do you use eye drops? I think you said you didn't but I'm not sure I understood correctly.

[Ash Rose]

@faeruss hmm well that’s how I made all my videos, so I don’t really know how else to make videos on my own. I explained in the video I don’t really have anyone available IRL to help me with this.

@bera interesting! I find it super helpful when people shift from demonstrating to doing what’s natural.
The cocoon thing: well, a couple of years ago a series of tragic, traumatic events put me in a situation where I had to let go of everything I held dear for the sake of the well-being of those close to me. Basically I needed to shed my identity and my past to start fresh, so I got rid of everything I owned and moved into a new place and started again as well as listening to all new music and watching all new movies, or nothing at all. It’s been almost entirely isolating as well as I only interact with people I work with, people online, and the occasional cashier or bus driver. Recently I received a sign that not only was I ready to emerge but really nothing has changed. I’ve just been eating my own tail this whole time.
Perhaps I’ll try making another video one of these days if people really care enough, but I’m beginning to run out of steam talking about it tbh.

[Tea]

I didn't read the whole thread here, but omg, @elisa Day! I cannot begin to imagine the work that went into that journey. No need to talk about it on video if it's taxing. I'm just really impressed/amazed at the process. <3

[Bera]

Oh, yes ! You don't need to talk about that in the video. I only asked you about it because your line of thought was Pluto - transformation - cocoon. And this reminded me of Bjork's songs and she is FiSe.
So, the question emerged - do you talk about our gamma visceral, slightly disgusting, warm, enveloping cocoon or are you talking about the whimsical, sparkling delta version? (Cocoons are a general symbol that everyone could use but gamma cocoons are different from delta cocoons, I think). This was what I was trying to see, so if it reminds you of traumatic events and you don't want to talk about them, I totally understand !
I think I saw you using Fi a couple of times. I wrote the exact points in time but the document is home.I will check the video again tonight and tell you where I think I saw Fi signals and why I think you are Fi lead.
I am not sure about your P functions though. I think if Auburn and fae see Ne, they must be right. But I also can't say I see it too or agree that your energy is similar to Pine's. You feel different to me.
The difficulty here is that we don't have videos of FiSe to compare you to.
Also, I did a little brainstorming with some people here and they all said you look like an Ne user, so maybe what I am saying is simply because I can't properly discern between Ne and Se. I did see one or 2 instances in which you seemed to do the brush stroke movements but are they enough? 2 in 14 minutes? I don't know how often they should happen to be honest.? Also, I sometimes doubt they were Ne brush stroke movements and think they might be a variation of your Pi side looks.
So when I arrive home I will tell you exactly where I think I saw Fi signals and rewatch the video in search for Ne ? but I think it is a very good idea to post a new one where you try to not look at yourself and where you speak about something freely, without examples made directly on your face/body. (Though the fact that you are making them makes me think of Fi And Se too, showing your expressions directly on your face and body...we had an FiSe (or was she SeFi?) on the old forum who did exactly that, one of @animal ' s friends. Diana? Do you guys remember? )
I also think people will not contradict Auburn on his typings cause hell, he knows these things much better. But I thought he did the vultology videos with the intent to encourage people to type each other while he is away. And also if I say something wrong and he comes and explains why it's wrong, this is a gain for everyone.

[Ash Rose]

@tea @bera
I’m just now seeing this as I didn’t get the notifications for some reason.
Thanks so much for your concern and caring about the cocoon and providing feedback! It’s quite heartwarming and encouraging.
The cocoon became a little spiritual sanctuary filled with crystals, incense, flowers, and candles. These are things I never tried before, but they really helped me!
Björk is somebody I’ve been compared to quite a bit as far as looks and of all the Fi smiles I dug through mine was most similar to hers, but her eyes are more manic. She’s also triple Scorpio and her lyrics are far more sexual, sensual, viceral, and vibrant than mine would ever be. I’m a huge fan, but this is what made me doubt FiSe. People tell me I’m like a nun hehe.
The idea to demonstrate the signals on myself came from that one YouTuber who was in the Type Me thread awhile back and everyone thought he was Fi. He demonstrated his difficult with the Fi tension smiles and explained how the curtain smile comes more naturally. Auburn agreed and typed him NiFe. Also, I was mostly copying what Auburn was doing in his latest video tutorials. I thought it was a great idea since it made things so much clearer to me.
Over time I’ve seen a lot more evidence of my Fi and Ne in conversation, though still plenty of Fe and Ni to place me in Fog Land. The only thing I am truly sure about is Se and Te are my weakest functions. I’m quite sure I’m not FiSe or any other Se ego type at this point.
Since there seems to be some interest I will attempt another video soon. Maybe I can cover the screen of my phone while I record and talk about whatever random things come to mind!

[Bera]

@elisaday - you're welcome ! I wish I could help you more but I am not good at typing people yet. I only joined CT in November and I have a pretty full schedule and don't have a lot of time to practice typing people.
I thought about the exact same thing after I posted that message - Bjork looks manic and you don't ! But I think she is an extreme example.
This is actually why I asked you about eye drops, because I thought eye drops could water down Se focus/mania. 🙂 But you actually said you didn't use any, so this theory was dismissed.
Another thing is that  FiSe look more manic but FiNe also look more naive....this is why I am confused.
OMG, maybe I was wrong !! Elisa ! Look at 0,26 ! Your eyebrows are up and together ! Like in a confused stare. Same at 1:26 ! And you said you can't do it. You can !!
I can see Si, so you must have Ne. (still can't see Ne lol but this is an advancement).
Oh, maybe this is generally happening to your eyes ...? The deer in headlights look? I think this is what we confused with Ni !! Because your upper lid does not fall lower over your eyes and you also don't seem to be looking through things !
But look, at 1:29 your eyebrows seem to be going in the exact opposite direction, so...oh, dear, I am clueless now. But 1:29 is a good moment to see Fi. <3 The mouth is in an asymmetrical position and you can see the H, right?
I also thought you have Se tautness but maybe this is because of anatomical reasons. If you compare to Auburn's softness (relaxed eye area) in his Ne video - around 2:26...yeah, there is a big difference. But it can be because of the natural shape of the area around your eyes, so...maybe we can't completely rely on this signal in your case.
1:36 - 1:37 Your eyebrows go up and separate, how can they do both things??
Around 2:00 - you are showing stuff on yourself and it sure looks like you raise your brows from the outer edges ...but earlier you seemed to have the confused stare. Now I have the confused stare, haha. 🙂
Ok, LOOK ! At 3:04 you have the confused stare again !!! I don't think this could be wrong, your eyebrows go up and together and your eyes look confused.
This happens at 3:56 too. And at 5:29. OMG, I think I reached a conclusion (!!!)...I think the natural shape of your eyebrows is curbed up a lot and when you raise them, at first sight it looks as if you raised them from the outer edges...because the outer edges are very high due to your natural shape and maybe also due to how you style them...but if we really, really focus, I think we can see you raise them in a confused stare...there is a tension going up and towards the nose not up at the outer edges.
Why did I get fixed on Si?
I think you also have the Ne sparkles. Awwww, look at 5:18 !!! I think there you show Fi snarling smile + Fi unbriddled radiation (just a bit compared to what I am used to see but I think it is there in your movement to the side, isn't it??) + Ne sparkle + Si puppy look & deer in headlights. <3
Ok, now about being J lead or P lead. Your posture is pretty rigid, I think you agree with this, right? And I think you are face centric. At 9:23 you do some eye toggles and your head does not move with your eyes.  Also at 10:23 you turn to the right, your eyes turn to the right (my right, your left 🙂 ) and then your eyes jump to the left all on their own ! The face turns to the left later.
So, I think I was wrong and you are FiNe ! Please look and tell me what you think, I am really curious ! Sorry for throwing random chaotic opinions, I have no idea how to do it in an organized way...actually I do, I should have used the sheet...oh, well...:)
And yes, do post another video, that's a good idea !!!

[Ash Rose]

@bera That must have taken so much effort and I just love how you wrote that! It got me all energized and excited just reading it! Your enthusiasm is very contagious!
I’ll look over the video again at all the points you mentioned, but I think I know what you are referring to and I did notice that there are times when the eyebrows raise a little bit in the center, but it’s so so subtle compared to how often they raise at the outer edges. You have to look really, really hard, right? What’s that about? You can see why I would be confused, right? That was really the whole point of the video: just explaining why I was confused. ? There have been many people who have been typed as having Se and their eyebrows raise from the middle way more often and pronounced than mine do.
It seems to me that I can see signals of all the functions in anyone’s videos just depending on what I’m choosing to look for. Depending on how I shift my perception I can see NiFe signals or FiNe signals. Perhaps that’s Ne.

[Elsie]

Show me that Fe/Ti ?! @Elisa Day

[Bera]

@elisaday - yes, it is subtle ! But this could be because Si is your 3rd function (though in my case raised outer edges are obvious and my brows don't just go up, they stay up for a long time and Ni is my 4th function, so...I really don't know if this argument is valid).
I think everyone can move their eyebrows straight up and that Si Ne tend to raise them more in the confused stare fashion and Se-Ni users tend to raise them in the raised outer edges fashion.
I tried doing the confused stare looking in the mirror and with just a bit of effort I managed to. I can't bet it never shows naturally in my vultology...well, wait, I will check my video. 🙂 But I will not post it here because it has nothing to do with the topic.
Oh, for example, when I raise my eyebrows, I move them up and outwards (raised outer edges style) but I also frown a lot (intense scowl?) and sometimes I do a combination of raised outer edges and frowning that could confuse people making them think I have the confused stare. 🙂 Because when my eyebrows move out of the frown and up to the outer edges there is a point in which they are up and together. 🙂
Your case is totally different but I think this is a good example of how some signals can get confused with others when they are combined and influenced by other factors.
By the way, yesterday I remembered some pictures of myself showing obvious raised outer edges and I thought of opening a thread about Ni vs Si and eyebrows. (Show us your brows !!! :p )
I have to admit I can not swear that what I am seeing in your posture is rigidity and not Pi innertial movement.
I think at some point it would be wonderful for Auburn or for someone else who knows these things better than us to contrast some J leads with Pi leads so people can see the distinction clearly. Because J leads also move a bit and Pi leads don't really move a lot, so - to me at least - it is a bit hard to distinguish between them in some cases - like yours. I believe you are mostly rigid but I can see why you would see Pi innertia, you know? 🙂
Another thing I wanted to ask you is - do you think you have conductor energy? Or reviser energy?

Conductor & Reviser Types

You look like a reviser to me, but one with extra composure. Not sure where that comes from though. Maybe Ji leads naturally have more composure than Pe leads...or maybe it also has to do with education/life experience? I'm not sure.

[Faex]

Ok, @elisaday, @bera, I looked at the vid again. Honestly, I don't see Pi stumpiness at all. I see a Ji spine, in particular Fi (seelie). Maybe that second vid will make things clearer?
Pi stillness looks like the weight of the body has collapsed on the person (what Aub called 'sack of potatoes'), like they're not holding it up; It does not look held tall in the centre like a swaying-but-erect soft reed in the wind (like you do). For Pi, think how people look when they fall on a couch tired, releasing their weight almost completely: that's the kind of stumpiness Pis do. It's 'heavy' and 'viscous'. It looks kinda 'lazy' especially without too much Pe or J 'interference', rather than 'soft' or 'light' like Ji. At least that's my understanding.
I don't see much Ne, so I don't know why Aub typed you II-- development but I'm guessing it's because of the swaying (what you think is Pi), which usually makes FiNe II-- less rigid-looking than FiNe I--- or I--I developments. NeFi II-- also have a similar but more exaggerated swaying-plus-rigidity, with the fluidity being the default and the rigidity the intermittent interference.

[Faex]

Perhaps you're FiSe, @elisaday? Se leads sway quite a bit like you do (I'm thinking of some SeTi vids lodged in memory). I see the H split and the tension in your cheeks but I'm less confident about my typing of such signals (based on past experience!) because of your anatomy. You already have a classic Fi-ish face (tiny mouth, long-ish rather than wide face shape etc) and I tried to think what you might look like with that anatomy if you were Fe lead or PiFe. Idk.

[Ash Rose]

@bera @fae ok, cool guys! I don’t know if it wasn’t already clear from my responses, but I already agreed with you a long time ago and am getting burned out on the topic. I really do appreciate the effort you have put into it, and if you really want to know more you can inbox me. There is a lot on my plate at the moment and my type is really the last thing on my mind. Thank you for everything!

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