Self-Improvement & Sense of Purpose. Do you Need it? How does it Work for You?

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    Anonymous
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    @animal,
    I think you are very right in your observation, it was definitely something relating to humanity and I guess even my own humanity (my own self), even though I don't appear, and its relation to mannequins (empty humans) . I was scared of an implication in the video and I guess I was trying to show it without really understanding it. I would say that even the idea of "humanness" is questioned because of how to me I see all of them as "fake" subjects, where is the "humanity" when I am walking down a street and wait for the "walk" sign, where am I going, where is everybody going and what are they doing, what are we doing?
    I oscillate between the 5 and 9, so I don't know what would be my "real" Enneagram, I would need an outside opinion. My tri-type is 594 though 🙂

    #10494
    Animal
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    @scientiam

    I think you are very right in your observation, it was definitely something relating to humanity and I guess even my own humanity (my own self), even though I don’t appear, and its relation to mannequins (empty humans) . I was scared of an implication in the video and I guess I was trying to show it without really understanding it.

    Hehe, this is what I love about art. I let it write itself through me so that it shows me what's up 😀  I don't think it's necessary to fully 'understand' the art or the message, even as the artist - because part of the magic of art is that it translates something that is beyond words and beyond 'verbal' comprehension.

     I would say that even the idea of “humanness” is questioned because of how to me I see all of them as “fake” subjects, where is the “humanity” when I am walking down a street and wait for the “walk” sign, where am I going, where is everybody going and what are they doing, what are we doing?

    So true.  I have a similar feeling. This is why I moved away from the city, back to the suburbs, and I'm hoping to move out west as soon as health & money allow. The humanless human thing just feels too cold to me.

    I oscillate between the 5 and 9, so I don’t know what would be my “real” Enneagram, I would need an outside opinion. My tri-type is 594 though

    Cool 🙂 I could see heavy 9 influence too for sure. I've been studying enneagram for many years.
     

    #16576
    GreenCoyote
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    They way I currently view this topic.
    Purpose is actually a state of mind.
    You can actually seemingly live without purpose completely and fully yet still be completely fulfilled in the department of purpose and meaning. As long as that meaning is seen or experienced (Pe) purpose is felt.
    Purpose to me is not having a goal, but knowing that wherever I am going there is a goal. I may just be unaware of it in my current state yet I know I am on the right track. (Ni) synchronicity and such. having that synchronicity line up in a way that helps me and doesn't threaten me. if left to my own devices the synchronicity is always there but taunting me. With a re-orientation via communication and energy absorption you can re-align. however! I find that you can't re-align in a stagnant position. you must make the initial push, move out of the gunk and PUSH, once you get moving, that's when you want the alignment. (Ni). this provides meaning, it provides purpose inadvertently because even though you are still living moment to moment, the meaning of life unfolds as the fabric of the universe is revealed in the world, real time, in the moment (Pe) as you move through it. Your (Pe) is serving a goal (Ni) even if that goal is not completely felt and seen. it is understood. there is no goal (or if there is one it's invisible), just the correct path.
    oh Lordy I hope this makes sense. ha ha.
    I've had a pretty good day so I am hoping I don't sound crazy.

    #16587
    Animal
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    • Development: lll-
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    @GreenCoyote
    It makes sense except that as a Pe lead, I can't relate to it. I am not someone who 'doesn't know why' I am doing things. I'm self conscious, self-digging, self-exploring.... to a fault. I always feel a sense of purpose even if sometimes this is a delusion - I strongly err on this side. So it cannot be "Pe' but rather you personally who feels this. My theory is that the difference is more rooted in enneagram. Because each enneagram type has its own motivations which either lend itself to a defined 'sense of purpose' or don't.
    I always feel that I'm aware of why I'm doing things and what the point of it is. I don't plan out each moment nor do I want to. But I have a general scheme that I follow and if I see myself veering away, I ask myself why and I self examine. To me the idea of purposelessness and 'moment to moment happenstance' seems less fun than suicide.  I do think that other people can enjoy this and live this way, quite honestly, happily and productively - but it's not me. I could not let go of my self-examining impulses and 'sense of meaning' if I tried.

    #16591
    GreenCoyote
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    @animal
     
    gotcha. I know it is personal first and foremost.
    hows the update on the Se description?
    i need the link to the website again.

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