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[PeJi] What is your relation to Pi and is cereal soup?

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  • #23934
    bella
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    • Type: TiNe
    • Development:
    • Attitude: Unknown

    Hello Pe leads!
    I wish to know.. what is your relationship with your Pi function and how does it manifest in your life?
    And also, do you consider cereal to be a soup? Why or why not?
    🙂

    #23955
    Net D'Radiator
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    • Type: NeTi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Cereals with milk is a kind of a soup the closest exaple I can think of is gazpacho which you can find in a canned form - its served cold add, croutons, eat. Same. Some people are warming up the milk to eat cereals - milk is a broth procuced by the cow to fully accommodate a newborn of its own species with necessary nutrients. Cooking the bone (and vagetables) to get out nutrients, collagen so on is pretty similar it is just done in the cow xD Most soup additions are carbohydrates and starch products just like cereals. It works with nut/vagetable milk as well.
    I used to think about Pi as my dominant function, not because I strongly identified with it but rather I didn't fit the stereotype of TeNe ENTp. I noticed it was quite arrogant of me after acquisition of the informations about this function in Auburn's model. I was sure about the quadra and perception to be the dominant oscilation. Pi examples. I'm catching myself rambling to the infinite about things which are connectes by certain memory recalls, could be a detail which triggers a web of new corelations. All of this process is depended on associations, sometimes I feel the need or I am asked to describe the 'background' of a certain situation which intention is to make my claim or idea more understandable collectively - narrativism. I noticed I started to add this anecdotal explanations with my own intention as well. My first choice of the university direction was anthropology because I always wanted to digg into the root of beeing a human. Discover the links between the past and present to estimate the future which is pretty Si. The overwhelming amount of data pushed me to doubt that this is correct choice. I’m sometimes getting really excited about semantic or the words which contain a lot of meaning? Is this count as Pi?

    #23959
    Starshade
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Pi?
    Well, sort of assumed I could be a Pi lead? What being extrovert or cognitive extrovert means, will take some time to figure out. Im patient, and have good memory so it's in the classical sense, sure. Do not really know how to answer fully; I will sleep on it.

    #23977
    Aletheia
    Participant
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    [J walks in and crashes teh party XD]
    What is this heresy?! I say, cereal is not soup! It's simple really, soup is cooked to amalgamate the substances and flavors of its components. Cooked! Cooked I say! In a kettle like the sacred brews of the alchemists of old.. Not like this crunchy, cold cereal you speak of, soup is supposed to be soggy!
    But if we're talking hot cereal then we may have a bit more of a categorical conundrum on our hands ?

    #23979
    Elsie
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Unseelie


    well i can try. for what my understanding of something is. it may not be it.
    but i can say it "manifests" as a super-distant viewpoint. can be zoomed in or out. "lower or higher". some things are over the horizon. you are aware of the whole "floor" and what is on the "floor" even when you are not "up" when you go "up", you zone out, and expand the feed. the zoning will increase with incoming information or it will be done later in one huge block, for me (backup..backlog). its a comfortable place to be

    ur standard-issue vantage-point


     

    the arrangement of events/things: i am very visual so it is conceived as a map/hologram/object inside (no, it doesnt look quite like this...). in relation to other things.


     
    points are like streams everywhere flowing down. or they can be combining/gathering spheres of scenes/themes on a field/map. or explained like chapters and events, with a pace and distance, closing, opening.
    i was explaining to @Auburn ,
    "i am logged into a vein of the past at the point where all streams join, at the central valley/nexus, coming from all rivers down the mountains, data is ”on the horizon”, i feel in the flow of time and aware of it, though i could not tell you how long something might take abstractly, i am always at the right time and the right place, i appear just before something must be completed, to complete it"

    "stages" and "checkpoints" notify eachother. a lot of words in quotation marks here...it's abstract. so think of dominos or escorting a vehicle through - you are above, guiding it through lanes, ahead, opening and closing paths. sometimes waiting, ugh.


    and because words fail on much, here are some videos. some are kinda-dark, but its not dark or scary to me (having heard "Ni" is to some others), and that's not the vibe i wish to give off precisely, but the mass of information and connectivity/weaving of it. there's a lot of focus on humanity,mythology,society,battles between "forces"/territories,and growth







    #23983
    Starshade
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Um, I did sleep on it, so to say, I think this is my answer:
    * Opposite categories measured need to exist. They might well not exist at all.
    Not as, nothing is measured, but, the logic of measurement makes you find 1 of 4 possible "leads", that do not validate an oposition of functions. Or any layout not measured, only as methods of measurement to get results. That is; the logic of validation of an lead function only validate it's existence, not that there is an logical inferior function. Being of polar development is not the issue; the issue is logical fallacies of using the map to find an function, as an layout.
    The tendency of Psychology research to discard any non Big Five, or prefering qualitative rather than quantitative method is what makes typology an funny topic; it's not this which, is the answer. The true answer seem to be, to my feeling, the perceived opositions of Pi and Pe do not alter how  i use them, feel, perceive, and act. The dream answer is the same as when I was looking at MBTI and looked into typing with it; the dream say the fallacies still might be there, so answers  need to be outside the scope of falacies.
    Ok, the answer might be we are unable to Perceive. We live in a sense-limited scope of consepts, limiting ourself to categories, and by nature we use analogy experience as guidelines, I assume we might say we sense, feel, and live in a physical existence; our senses is internal immages, moderated by whatever method you imagine (say, pure categories and transcendental logic of Kant), or whatever. Transcendental ideas might not as pure consept translate to empirical world; only validation of them a posteriori would.
    Getting that out of the way, I'd say... I got good memory. Being curious and with exellent memory I'd be typed INTP anytime by almost any mbti'er, everywhere quickly. The truth is a bit complex, though, might be best to discuss this in chat...
     

    #23998
    bella
    Moderator
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development:
    • Attitude: Unknown

    Thanks for the replies guys! It's interesting that two of you considered Pi as your lead before..

    @elsie
    wow, these are some interesting metaphors! (also the cat XD)
    As for the cereal soup, maybe I can also crash the Pe party and give my opinion as a Ji lead 🙂
    Ahem.  Cereal is not soup because the MONO of soup that it is eaten HOT.  And yesyes I know some 'soups' are served cold, but I don't consider those to be soups either. Unless they can be heated!  So a cold soup that can potentially be eaten hot or a hot soup that loses its heat, don't lose their status as a soup because they have the potential to get heated again and be eaten that way.
    But then.. there is this guy.. ayayai 😉

    #24016
    Wolf00
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: lll-
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    Idk... What time is it? I'm bad with that stuff.

    #24049
    Net D'Radiator
    Participant
    • Type: NeTi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Ahhhh so this is where the question comes from ? I asked my brother, he might be (PeJi as well or JiPe but beta) and he anwsered, no cereal is not a soup (he directly foused on the semantics of the term and not on technical aspect) but then: "wait a minute ? Our cousin and his mum were always saying that whey are gonna eat a 'milk soup' for a breakfast" even if it ment the cold milk - they come from other part of Poland influenced more by German language, curious if it is related. It might be, that the origin of the 'milk soup' term comes from a milk cooked with rice or pasta which was an actual breakfast meal eaten in the past? And yeah it is a matter of semantics attached to the term by certain culture, group, nationality with emphasis on the temperature in which the meal is being served? From one perspective the word milk meaning could be stretched to - a broth produced in the mammal ? It is warm when served to the newborn. People are trying to recreate the lactation procces by cooking various ingridients for long time in a pot. The problem is that the lactating mammal is required, lactose, protein, specific antibodies are being produced which doesn't occur specifically while cooking the broth. Its nature made, very specific conditions are required to obtain the mammal milk. (But vagetable milk is crafted by human and being heated in a process of production I think?) Its just very broad association connecting those two processes in the way that valuable ingredients are beeing extracted from semi-products in a process. There are plenty of cold soups I eaten, like chłodnik, 냉면, 콩국수 from soy, with ice in it, they will taste terrible if someone decided to heat it 😛 there are some of them which don't require any cooking.

    #24059
    Alexander the Less
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: llll
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    What is your relationship with your Pi function? How does it manifest in your life?

    I don't think about my functions that often... Until you ask a question like this. I decided to review an article from the Model 2 updates to ensure I could speak with some confidence on this matter.
    To be direct and short, I am in love with my Pi and revere it in excess.
    To be oblique, I'll frame my relation to Pi in a way that feels apt, a story:
    While I don't know the average ages for different developmental milestones, the story surrounding myself standing and walking are often told as if I had done so incredibly early. As my mother recalls it, I began holding myself firmly on two feet around 6 months old. However, I would only stand and/or walk under one condition: that I could hold onto a ledge with one hand the entire time. If I wanted to cross a room, I would slide my hand along the couch until I reached the end, drop to all fours to crawl, stand up and walk around the table, proceed to crawl after exhausting the table's length, and stand again once I reach the entertainment center. I continued in this fashion, despite any and all adult prodding for me to take that first unassisted step, until I was a year old. According to my parents, they're certain that I could have stood on my own at 6 months and walked without a considerable wobble at 9 months, as my hands on the ledges were barely contributing at all. In fact, sometimes I would accidentally lift my hand and walk or stand without realizing I had done so, but rest assured I would immediately stick my hand to the ledge again the second I realized my reckless abandon!
    I tell this story to illustrate something that seems like a mainstay throughout my life, a theme concerning how I undertake any and all challenges: with an acute sense of caution. For all the looking ahead that I do in my life, it seems that I will rarely take a step unless there is some sense of certainty or an overwhelming probability in my favor.
    I love my Pi, but I love it too much. For all my sense of wonder and idealism, I can never stop holding myself back. I seek certainty in a world where I am under the impression there isn't any to find, that paradoxical certainty being the only one I have managed to unearth. It often causes me to dwell on the regret that I don't have the confidence to take risks, risks necessary to gain more substantial rewards. Yet despite this awareness, I still find myself clinging to the familiar, the safe, the mundane, etc. It has come to a point where now exploration in the world, for me, looks like taking a different back road home, looking for an internet chatroom to lurk on, and so on.

    Do you consider cereal to be a soup? Why or why not?

    Absolutely not.
    We have to define two things, "soup" and "cereal." Both of these are categories that encompass a selection of specific foods.
    Soups are a category that is based on a collection of ingredients. Soups are foods that come about from a recipe, recipes that utilize a liquid base of either a combination of (sometimes solely) water, broth, milk, and/or juice. The liquid base is always accompanied by some selection of vegetables, fruits, grains, and/or meats. Soups may be hot, cold, clear, or thick.
    Cereals are a category that encompass only an ingredient. Cereals are an ingredient that have undergone a processing that leaves them in a dried state, whether partial or whole. Nothing about the milk makes the ingredient suddenly qualify as cereal. The bowl full of milk and cereal is called cereal, but to say that the combination of ingredient is cereal is a misnomer. It is merely cereal in milk, a way to prepare and enjoy your cereal, the processed and dried grains themselves.

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