Madonna Fi-Se speculation

[Rickus]

Hello there
So I was going through the codifier and looking at all the celebrity typings, some were really different from what I normally thought the celebrity's type was. Madonna especially stood out for me as an Unseelie Fi user. I do see her mouth movement, but I have noticed the majority of people label her as an Se-Ti type. Some have even said she is Te-Ni. Could you perhaps elaborate on why you think she is Fi-Se, I am open to hearing more about her micro-expressions as well, its very interesting.
Could it be that she has a strong Te persona that causes her to come across as a Thinking type perhaps? She also doesn't seem very warm or friendly at first glance, but there have been interviews where she starts crying silently when she talks about her mother.

[Rickus]

I have also seen Taylor Swift typed here as a Ti-Se user, but I've always thought she was an Fe dominant type, perhaps Fe-Ni. So this is quite different from the commonly perceived typing of her personality. She seems to really focus on her feelings and emotional values in her music, which is not something I would associate with a Ti dominant type. Am I too reliant on Ti stereotypes?

[fayest42]

Re: Madonna, I think it's very common for an unseelie Fi user to not come off as very warm or friendly and for them to come off as more of a thinker than a feeler. From what I've seen, it doesn't look like she has Te conscious, but unseelieness doesn't necessarily come from Te use.
Just watching a couple of interviews with her, she has quite a few wobbly mouth movements and a snarling smile. She also has a sprite-like voice. And she doesn't have the fluidity of an Se-lead. I also can't help but notice how similar she is to Marilyn Monroe in her movements - she's like an unseelie Marilyn.

[Rickus]

ah I see, yes your right I also picked up her wobbly Fi mouth expression, its so fascinating. I think she is actually quite reserved in conversation and seems really self-absorbed (not in a negative way, but like she is wrapped up in Fi reverie if there is such a thing). I've also read the description of Unseelie Fi on the site and many of the traits definitely fit Madonna's personality. Thanks for your reply.
Interesting how she seems to have emulated Marilyn Munroe, except in an Unseelie manner of course.

[Bera]

Hey, you can see more about Madonna's typing here :

FiSe: The Definitive Vultology

Under FiSe I--- Unseelie.
We also used to think she was TeNi, because of being gamma, J and unseelie. 🙂 But she is FiSe.
Regarding Taylor Swift, she is II-I now, so she has conscious Fe.
Also don't be fooled by Madonna's crying, as, believe it or not, TeNi's do it too ! (I think Ben Shapiro did it once, after Trump won the last elections. In a laughing fit :))) )
 

[Rickus]

@Bera
Yes I was also going to say she was TeNi because that is the persona she projects as being ambitious, calling herself a bitch if it means getting what she wants, so interesting. But yes I think underneath the facade she is absolutely an Unseelie Fi-Se it makes more sense now that I think about it. I think Taylor Swift actually comes across as quite Ti in her interviews simply because I started looking for it, but perhaps she has developed her Se and Fe to such an extent that its easy to mistake her for an FeNi type because of her development levels.

[Rickus]

@Bera
And its funny how you talk about TeNi's crying, it makes sense since we are all emotional beings, despite TeNi being perhaps less in touch with their emotions, doesn't mean they don't have any haha.

[Rickus]

I was typed as TeNi before actually, but of course I didn't relate to being a Te dominant. I related to the Ni strangely enough, but not Te as a dominant function, because I cry a lot more easily and am a lot more in touch with my Fi values I'd say, so SeFi is a much better fit for me.

[Bera]

Yes !
Now, seriously, TeNi can be super sensitive too, I will show you a better example that is in the database :

 

[Rickus]

@Bera
Yes your right. She definitely has a lot of Te sassy head shakes here and I can tell she wants to be strong for her mother and is very self-sufficient, not willing to ask for help even though she should. Funnily enough I was like this in high school, I hated having to ask for help myself. And i can see her Fi coming through in the end, so powerful, I have read somewhere that Te types are very goal-oriented and driven, but underneath the tough exterior lies a sensitivity and gentleness that breaks through in certain instances.

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