Is Donald Trump NiTe Instead?

[Animal]

I posted this in the Soft Reading thread, but I thought it might merit a discussion thread.

Donald Trump …. I know he was typed as TeNi way back in the beginning of CT. But since then I have learned more about signals and I have also seen his young videos which look very NiTe. I also have my doubts about him being an “articulator” especially when you compare him to a Te lead like Ben Shapiro or Blair White. All politics aside, I am just morbidly curious to know if he could be NiTe instead. His old interviews seem slow and his focus is “far reaching” rather than Te bulldozing. He also sits like a potato sack and has a pudgeface. Maybe I’m crazy but this has been bothering me ?
 

 
Are you guys seeing what I'm seeing?

Note: I would like to ask everyone please to keep this apolitical. If someone says something good or bad about him in order to discuss his type or his psychology, please do not respond in an inflamed way about politics. Thanks so much. 🙂

[Animal]

Bump?

[Wolf00]

He has decisive hits in his motions:

All of his motions are overall very angular from what I'm seeing:

I also couldn't identify clear eye centric instances - his head motions don't affect the torso at all and the eyes don't really appear to direct the head:

The sync between the eyes and the head comes from Se eye-head parallel motions and this can confuse things a bit.
You can compare it with one of the sample GIFs for face centricity from the codifier:

^He's also displaying Se eye head parallel motions here, but the eyes' orientation doesn't direct the motions of the head and the torso is totally unaffected by the motions of the head as well.
 

You can observe the difference between them and this eye centric sample^ by seeing how the eyes direct the head, they don't just happen to move at the same time with the head. The torso is also affected by the head's motion in this GIF.

[Animal]

@Wolf00 makes sense! I also watched more recent videos and now I agree with your assessment. I typed him as TeNi for years and argued with everyone, since everyone typed him as Se lead all over the place. It only occurred to me now that he could be NiTe for the reasons I said, but you're right. The hands are very decisive, all the time.

[sekundaer]

I think that was very good observations, @Wolf00 .   Really helped me being able to make the distinction.
When I saw the old video of him I agreed with @Animal that he seemed much more introverted there. Funny thing, usually people move in the opposite direction,  those who are flamboyant in their youth gets more restraint as older.
It is for sure that here is another body language and it is a bit strange that he score exactly the same now and then.
His Te is certainly more prevalent now and the Ni is not so obvious as before, although he score as II--.   I think that such a difference should be reflected in the way he is typed.
Maybe a sign for very strong Te  (in continuation of what I wrote in the vultology section recently).
 

[sekundaer]

The degree of a signal would  be interesting to quantify.  I always think of the guru (Osho) at the front site of the website as typical Ni as he has extremely hypnotic eyes.   And it was part of his persona not to be shaken by anything but just sit there at his throne and make politically incorrect jokes about religion and other delicate subjects, which could be seen as the behavioral counterpart to this strong signal.
Thinking about people I know in real life that have very heavy signals of some sort, I am reminded about someone I know who have very angular movements, with plateau velocity to a degree that is a caricature (he would not be a good ballet dancer). And this is reflected in his psychology, he is so 'mechanic' oriented that this too is one of the first things one notice about him.  He is the kind of guy who have strategies,  often like if it was a militarily battle, for anything, could be how to approach a woman which is not where he has his greatest successes. Point being that there seems to be a correlation between the amplitude of signals and psychological traits.  A lot of signals belonging to a certain function doesn't necessary make that person a typical user of that function.  It can be rather hidden in his/her behavior.  But is it possible to imagine someone with the amplitude of Te signals like Trump not to be highly directive and  insisting?
 

[Robert Mitchell]

Well I'm little bored so I thought I'd share some thoughts on bi-modality, something that is quite pronounced in Donald Trump's case.

Theory:-

It was noted by Dario Nardi that most people have a preference for J or P that shows up as in brain scans as using Fp1 or Fp2, However he noted that some rare individuals employ both.

Some cognitive theories employ paired J/P functions along the lines of introversion and extroversion. Ie can mentally observe myself employing Ne/Fe, Ti/Si, and Ni/Fi.

In rare cases this separation of E and I modes can have them appear quite differently in different videos. I suspect Adaptive Fe is particularly effective in role playing. However I think that there will be tells based on their actually emotional preference. Ie the appearance of discomfort of some kind vs a happy relaxed state

For instance If Trump was NiJe, he would would naturally have to be engaged in JeSe to perform his extrovert roles, but while doing so you expect to see agitation of some form. In Trump's case this can be seen from his squirming body while giving speeches. Ni leads must detach from their surroundings with a horizontal look away from the current engagement. They often feel more comfortable with their body positioned away so that they have natural head body position during Ni, and then looking sideways to engage in extroversion. It is a well known practice to position chairs that sit at an angle to the interviewer to make introverts feel comfortable. So when trump gives speeches the crowd surrounds him and his Ni cannot find a comfortable position, thus the squirming/body twisting that can be seen in the following video (from 50sec)

So the key to identifying a person real lead function is getting them in a comfortable surrounds where they feel relaxed

For instance this interview shows off Trump as a classic Pi lead, he walks in a floppy Inertial energy state with brief spikes of Je engagement. Interestingly it also shows a Ti moment at ~7:20 with delicate pinching and down-looking eyes while Je engaging.

Which brings us to the interesting bit, is Trump NiFe or NiTe?

So on the Fe/Ti side we have a zygo smile, Fe semantic disclaimers galore, and a propensity for detached and communal style language, while on Fi/Te you have a pretty good impression of an aggressive Te type energy. I'd probably argue that he displays both, but psychologically it makes more sense for a NiFe adaptive to emulate an aggressive Te style in order to reach their Ni idealistic perceptive goals.

Here is his inauguration speech, when he must have been a good place. Casual hands, eye centric, coordinated hand-word emphasis, and lots of Ti delicate pinching. No Je head pushes.

Food for thought

 

[Elsie]

hi @singularity thanks for ur input,
i've had brain scan following several ischaemic strokes, and there was activity and anomalies in J and hearing areas, back-right and horseshoe pattern, if u know about that,
"It was noted by Dario Nardi that most people have a preference for J or P that shows up as in brain scans as using Fp1 or Fp2, However he noted that some rare individuals employ both."
the map of my brain was almost entirely right-preferring back-ended horseshoe,
building images, visual representation, aesthetic recall, action-routine,
. recall
. many factors at once
. impressions
. build image (big time man)
. identify
. action-recall routine

@auburn look,
"Well I'm little bored so I thought I'd share some thoughts on bi-modality, something that is quite pronounced in Donald Trump's case."
i know i do both stuff,
if that is the case then i am NiTe functional and @auburn, u better watch crap, nothing is more comfortable than that NiTe gasming as a "SeFi"
if it does not make sense for SeFi ideas, get it changed and updated
i'll be thorn in ur side for the rest of my life i swear to god

[Animal]

@singularity
Very interesting. I was getting strong Ni vibes from him. I may be wrong, but I'm glad at least someone saw what I saw.

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