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(This can apply also to Pe llll types)
Hi!
We have a few Pe ll-l and Pe llll on the forum and discord now, so I am curious to see what is similar between them! @elsie @alexandertheless @rua @umbilical-sphere @starshade and others I've missed, feel free to elaborate in ways that diverge from these questions. But... for the sake of having something to reply to... I'd like to give a few initial prompts?
1. What are you interested in...? (name as many things as you'd like, and how you came across these interests 🙂 )
2. What are you knowledgeable in? What have you studied and why did you choose to study that?
3. What's your preferred way of answering questions? (i.e. epistemology)
4. What do you think of knowledge structures? Science? Academia? Philosophy?
3. How would you describe your inner experience? Is it cohesive or do you have many 'sides' to you? What are your 'sides'?
4. What do you worry most about, at the social level? Do you have concerns about humanity?
5. In what areas of life does accuracy matter most?
6. What is your relationship to age and 'time'? Would you consider yourself child like? Or more old-man/woman-like?
7. Anything else you'd like to share? 🙂
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Thank you in advance~!
1. What are you interested in (name as many things as you’d like, and how you came across these interests)?
Kindness - child. Intellect - teenager. The strength to help others - present day.
2. What are you knowledgeable in? What have you studied and why did you choose to study that?
Psychology and Art. Was always interested and will probably die still discovering things in both fields.
3. What’s your preferred way of answering questions (i.e. epistemology)?
Short and bitter.
4. What do you think of knowledge structures? Science? Academia? Philosophy?
A series of personal, diminishing returns.
3. How would you describe your inner experience? Is it cohesive or do you have many ‘sides’ to you? What are your ‘sides’?
A prism I was shaped into and am learning to shape. The light that enters (willingly or unwillingly) determines the output.
4. What do you worry most about, at the social level? Do you have concerns about humanity?
I worry about society to the extent that I should know which part of the Earth's surface makes more/ the most sense for me and those I care about to live on at any given time. Used to be disdainful. Now the absurdity of it is a source of occasional, and always welcome hysterics.
5. In what areas of life does accuracy matter most?
Accuracy always matters. Its import lessens the more pressure the environment places upon its agents (speed and commitment to a decision start mattering much more).
6. What is your relationship to age and ‘time’? Would you consider yourself child like? Or more old-man/woman-like?
Used to be a consummate hermit. Actively engaged in embracing the opposite (my origin).
7. Anything else you’d like to share?
Nuu. Actually sure. I edited this post twice for formatting in a four-minute timespan.
I've felt ill today, and I wrote part of this after a 5-hour nap; however, this somehow feels like the most open and honest I've been in a while.
Please forgive any mistakes and my long-windedness.
I think the best summary of the corpus of my interests is how to live well, and by that I mean live in a way that is meaningful and satisfying (and please don't read that as happy, because satisfaction can find itself in misery when appropriately applied and felt).
So the biggest interest on the list is philosophy, especially existentialism. Top three favorite thinkers of all time are Camus, Kierkegaard, and Nietzsche. I came across really digging into philosophy after spending about 2 years as a Reformed Baptist (hardcore into determinism, Calvinism, dogmatic to a fault), and all the evidence in the way I lived and thought, from my perspective, pointed to that of a damned person (2017/18). I knew I was going to hell, and I knew God wanted me there. Otherwise I'd be a better person. I decided to lean into that and consider myself agnostic, to allow myself to be uncertain (something that was kicked off by my taking a literature class on E. L. Doctorow, a Postmodernist). I started looking at knowledge, how I knew what I knew, and it was more clear than ever that I knew nothing.
I was a fairly ardent nihilist, and the absurdists/proto-absurdists helped me make peace with uncertainty, to just believe and be at peace with knowledge being a colossal web we construct for ourselves, a web that floats down a river, prone to be ripped apart by the slightest breeze, yet somehow strong enough to bear our weight.
Apart from philosophy, I love art, perhaps my next greatest interest. I fell in love with art when I took my first art appreciation class (2013/14) because I had to pick between it and music appreciation.... I foolishly said, "Well I already appreciate music enough." Still, those foolish words led to me to learn the powerful ways in which art can communicate meaning to us. I fell in love with Impressionism, Post-Impressionism, Surrealism, Dadaism, Abstract Modernism, and Modernism (I love it all, really). At that point I wanted to become a curator and change my major to Art History.
I love Anthropology, something I declared as my minor after they told my I couldn't design a Humanities minor by combining Art, History, and Religion coursework (2016). It's because I wanted to find and appreciate every form of expression I could find. Every culture expresses, and I find all expressions, even the darkest, incredibly important. Why? Because every expression is where the ritual of meaning-making takes place. Holy sites across the world and in every place amongst every people where someone tried to get what is happening inside outside. Like a blessed communion where the ineffable elements of one person is given to others by the shared partaking of a part of themselves.
I have a lot of other things to answer and seemingly endless interests.... I'm going to move on.
I'm a rhetorician, less so in the sense of oration (something else I considered) and more in terms of theory. I study rhetoric, and every rhetorician defines it differently. My personal definition is, "Any instance of formulating, transferring, and/or interpreting meaning."
As my mentor and I put it, "Rhetoric is everything."
My personal work focused on hate speech, digital spaces, epideictic rhetoric as a bonding tool for groups, belief, and education (I'm always too eager to talk about these things, so feel free to ask).
I was initially in literature and language, but after taking a Literary Theory and Criticism class, I realized that the rhetoricians, those breaking down language more "up-close and personally" where who we had to thank for our methods as literary scolars. So I switched teams as I entered into the Master's program.
I know everyone comes to a conversation with a head full of their personally curated "language." Because of that, I always try to approach serious conversations (sometimes the casual ones too) by getting to the root of our definitions. If we all come to the table with a different language, a productive and meaningful conversation is never going to happen (did I mention that I love Wittgenstein?).
I tend to "manage" terms throughout a conversation by often asking what is meant by a certain word, shifting my own definitions around, and sometimes offering new language to help myself and my conversational partner better discuss whatever is on the table.
I also realize that none of us really know anything. We just have confidence, so everything I take in isn't necessarily any better than anything else. That decision, what information is worth internalizing, is one that I know gets made through whatever preexisting beliefs I have, and it can always change.
My own statements can often be a bit… oblique. All depends on the topic, but it's been said that I can't give a straight answer. I often take too much time to qualify and define everything I say to the point where some bold conversational partners will just request I spit it out.
They're all just different beliefs and structures, those webs we make to sail down the river of life.
All that keeps us afloat on them is our confidence. For some it is an ignorance that makes the floating possible, and to have their rafts dismantled and rebuilt for us to link together and sail as one for a time (have a conversation) is an event that brings about a terrible thrashing, something that leads to everything from just simple coldness and rigidity to extreme violence.
So all knowledge structures are webs to me, webs of our own creation, our personal faiths that keep us from going under.
The only cohesion is a lack of cohesion.
The only unifying factor in my internal life is the "in between" spaces where I see, feel, and know nothing, the Nietzschean abyss.
I have as many sides as I need, and very few of them feel stable. Rather than a web boat/structure, I've got a shipwreck. I can cobble together whatever I need as I hop from board to board, part to part, building whatever dingy gets me through the day.
I'm an improv artist and a survivalist trying to keep everyone from seeing my sweat as I leap my way down this abyssal river.
I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, make straight the way of the Lord, hoping others will disassemble their towers and meet me by the water.
I constantly feel like I never land the way I want to. I feel incredibly awkward, and I often come away feeling like I couldn't play the game the other person wanted. I desperately want genuine connection, but very few people ever give me the sensation that our connection was meaningful…. Probably doesn't help that I tend to over-complicate every conversation and willingly try to hide myself or just be what the other person wants from me… according to my limited perspective.
I have massive concerns about society. It doesn't help that recently I've felt more dread than hope. I'm getting to the point of despair where I start to think to myself:
"We're the greatest mistake to walk this planet. We don't see what matters, we don't connect with one another, and each of us is complicit in the destruction of the Garden of Eden. We take turns feeding one another the Fruit and watching, playing deceptive serpent, temptress, and negligent shepherd every day."
Whenever someone hands you a government form or you operate heavy machinery.
I consider myself both; however, I'd be a liar if I said old man wasn't the norm.
For quite some time I've felt near to my end, as if I lived life and the curtain's closing any day.
I tend to spend a lot of time looking backwards, thinking that the future just isn't for me.
The days of my childhood are precious to me as the only moments where now I look back and feel I lived the way life was meant to be lived: embarrassingly honest, always asking questions, and my biggest concern throughout the day was what sandwich I'd eat for lunch.
I feel like I rambled… quite enough. I could go on forever.
Perhaps it's the part of me that loves Mark Twain. I just want us to all kick our shoes off and get on the raft together. I want us to stop our civilized nonsense and just be people with one another.
1. What are you interested in…? (name as many things as you’d like, and how you came across these interests )
Reading fiction. Capoeira, martial arts in general, were an computer nerd as teenager, tried learning computer programming, found being semi-dyslectic an issue. Into mysticism in early 20s, while non-religious and not truly spiritual. Gaming in general. Later a bit spiritual, not religious as such, looking at TNH's Plum village materials and Theravada Zen atm.
Creative procrastinations as painting miniatures is something, I always plan ,but postpone, start, stop, start, stop. It's one of my weaknesses to want to do things, but not finishing projects.
Martial arts, started training Tae Kwon Do, on and off, then after failing hearing test after 2 months in Army, asked a guy how ITF TKD did it, hearing "the General is dead, the son gave himself 10 black belts in one day, stole all money and moved to North Korea, all is angry and has quit ITF!" I sort of gave up on TKD, it's petty feuds, ranks, organizations, infighting and high nationalism.. Karate was a lot better, simply put since they acknowledge being part of an Fascist/Nazi regime actually happened, and how bad that was, and how amazing it were 10-15 after the war, westerners forgave the Japanese and wanted to learn from them. Basic honesty. Me and MA is a strange story.
Capoeira, is a dance. It's more mine thing, creative, and not just something you do age 20 - 25 and trying to get gold medals, or raise your EGO.
2. What are you knowledgeable in? What have you studied and why did you choose to study that?
I used to have photographic memory, now it's mostly a "normal" memory just extremely good. It made me look semi-autistic, since I always could get into knowledge-rambles, sort of. I have learned to use, and incorporate, and moderate showing that I know stuff, and actively tries to "fit in" better than I used to.
I started studying archaeology, and atm writes my Masters, a bit overtime. I got curious on typology, since Archaeology is an typological science, and I borrows Biology typologies of material science to do my thesis. Basically, I look on Type vs Trait type data constructs, and break down. and discard broken science for my thesis. I am also breaking down and destroying a "pseudo Jungian" system of pure categories 😀
I always enjoyed the strange and vague time periods in classes, Bronze age in particular. Specially since my country does not have an Ego based on being Bronze Warlords or something equally ridiculous, as other Euro countries have, especially Denmark. In real life, I'm not enjoying war, the aggressive fields, and seem to have picked up an distaste for weaponry, which is something I will work on, since it's a big problem for me.
I enjoy strategy games including wargaming though, especially ridiculous, fantasy and science fiction games.
I know I want to learn to paint and play guitar for real, both is something I do randomly in periods, badly.
One of my failed videos I took of me, which I did not send in for CT, were a 25min video of me rambing about Bussard collector ramjet matter and/or antimatter fusion torch ships, and how it's one of the only realistic, or practical designs ever. If you had, say, 100 ton anti-lead.. I might like futurism, and impracticalities as ideas of how humanity can grow. I find the ideas of Ray Kurzweil interesting, but he appears partly bonkers in his view everything will happen in 10 - 20 years, so, I dropped the video (mostly since I looked too tired, and it was plain bad).
When it comes to helping people, and psychology, I am mostly an practical person, working on learning to listening, trying to learn how to help others. I did have Nusing and health professions at top of my choices when applying for university, too.
I got interested in Anthropology when taking it as an compulsory second topic in my education, as it is a people oriented topic I enjoyed quite much.
3. What’s your preferred way of answering questions? (i.e. epistemology)
I prefer to not going against tradition and debate for and against different views. My inability to take a side, seems to be an issue sometime.
4. What do you think of knowledge structures? Science? Academia? Philosophy?
I have picked up a bit here and there, to get by in my studies. Defining "Science" were a big issue figuring out my masters scope of "science". In the end I settled on Imre Lakatos view.
3. How would you describe your inner experience? Is it cohesive or do you have many ‘sides’ to you? What are your ‘sides’?
I think my core personality is an carefree, eternal child. I have basically encountered issues with growing up in an household where my personal needs for security at a set time didn't manifest in me getting grounded enough to get out, and get a job, so I were without jobs for some years, not realizing it was personal issues I struggled with, not the job.
Working on what I think, understand, and myself, I now know, the household I grew up in had serious issues, but my core childhood was fine. It's more "Secterian" views on the world than real "issues", self isolation, etc. I myself started getting interested in the concrete topic causing issues: clairvoyance and "intuition", lucid dreaming, etc. I basically discarded most of my worldview at least 2 times in my life.
Concretely, I present a part of me which works, I know our view of the world, and how it truly works seems to be extremely limited, but we have free will, freedom of choice. We are not bound, and cannot be bound by any prophecies, the Buddhist concept of Maya might be workable, so is the cognitive viewpoints of Immanuel Kant or modern Cognitive Psychology.
4. What do you worry most about, at the social level? Do you have concerns about humanity?
Society? not really, outside Trump's mental health.
I'm unfortunately experienced a bit gaslighting or mental manipulation in my teens, so to say, by someone who actually deeply care, but believes in things about society which is not healthy, sane or true. I basically discarded all I knew of the world, over the years piece by piece, and replace it with parts of wisdom, parts learned, read, etc. I got a tendency of being a positive optimist, wanting to get out and have fun, which saved me from going bonkers.
5. In what areas of life does accuracy matter most?
Rocket Science? You know, if the Danish people were founded by a red haired girl in miniskirt or big manly Warlord in 4 horse chariot, does not matter physically, just being a political discourse equal to Marxist ideology (see Lakatos treatment of Marxism if you anyone is curious), Marxist science, on other hand, dont care about politics, but is a part of Sociology, and is valuable. Being politically an "Marxist" now, is still possible, as an example, but hard to balance (I know some, btw). Some scientists made an paper on Postmodern Feminism where "jew" and "Scionist" from Mein Kamp were substituted with Men and Masculinity, and it got accepted no problem, as an example. This is "typical" of some "pomo" science, where nothing truly matter outside publication count, as most sciences. So... I would say "Hard Science" and "Caring" for people, needs accuracy. First is an example needing precision, last example, is an example where "professionals" can destroy humans, not physically, but mentally, with how they act.
6. What is your relationship to age and ‘time’? Would you consider yourself child like? Or more old-man/woman-like?
A bit of both. I think I lean more towards being realistic and "childish" if possible, at my best. Since being "childish" can be an escape from reality, and that is something I do not want, but closing yourself off from the world in "Old man mode" is not healthy, at least not for me.
7. Anything else you’d like to share?
1. What are you interested in…? (name as many things as you’d like, and how you came across these interests )
My primary interest is psychoanalysis and spirituality – fundamentally, understanding the dynamics of the mind, of being a human in a social context, how that shapes us, the living forces and interactions that occur within us – how we are imprisoned by ourselves, and how we can free ourselves. My interest in this is not primarily abstract, its very concrete, in the sense that I seek to preserve a positive reciprocal relationship between understanding my mind and breaking through its limits, progressively expanding both understanding and freedom, as they aid each other in their expansion. My secondary interest (at least intellectually) could be broadly captured under ‘Philosophy’, which is, understanding the nature of reality - I know, very broad xD I don’t really see clear distinctions between the various disciplines that are attempting to understand reality because ultimately I’m a monist, I deeply believe that all the diverse phenomena of reality are derived from (even as they feedback into and reshape), something that is relatively simple, that the core of everything is ontologically identical, and every phenomena has some precise relationship to this ontological identity. Any dataset/ideas can be considered from this lens, so I sometimes include ideas from biology, cognitive neuroscience, physics etc, as well as buddhist philosophy, different spiritual thinkers etc. in my musings. I suppose my view of reality is holographic in this way, because I think that to deeply understand anything must necessarily fit with understanding other seemingly unrelated phenomena, because to understand the surface of things we must understand the essence, and the essence of all things is ontologically identical. Though I don’t spend too much time on this secondary pursuit these days, my efforts seem more automatically focused on understanding the mind in the context of increasing freedom and the enjoyment of connecting patterns in my lived experience.
I just read the second question and realised that in this first question I somewhat misinterpreted ‘interests’ for ‘intellectual interests’ xD I spend a lot of time meditating (at least 3 hours a day, often more), because I’m trying to dig through all the layers of my mind and free myself more and more, as I mentioned before. I enjoy the revelations of unconscious structuring patterns within me and the deeply satisfying states of mind that come with this practice, I enjoy feeling the life-force course more and more through me, it feels like the most natural thing in the world to work with this flow of energy and aid it in its expansion within me. I enjoy improvising on guitar, and listening to certain artists that aid me to get in touch with my emotional side in a deeper way than my normal state of mind allows. I enjoy reading, mostly at the intersection of psychoanalysis and spirituality. And of course, I enjoy just making jokes and having fun with people 😀
2. What are you knowledgeable in? What have you studied and why did you choose to study that?
I accidentally basically answered this question in the last one xD
3. What’s your preferred way of answering questions? (i.e. epistemology)
I think on something, focus on it, turn it around a bit in my mind, then pretty soon a rush of ideas starts pinging back from my subconscious. And I follow chains of ideas as they associate with and generate other ideas. If I ask questions/focus in, this chain becomes more networked around a specific point, like its circulating a hidden node and my mind is generating conceptual impressions of that node. If I dont have a more specific question, my mind seems to just often generate conceptual impressions of what im perceiving spontaneously, like ill be reading a book and my mind will be creating patterns in parallel, often not exactly related to the book content (but related in some way for sure) yet can be insightful/interesting. Or ill be talking to someone and my mind will be spontaneously generating associational chains off of what they said. So id say my preferred epistemology is not really asking questions at all, that is secondary, its more like a parallel internal world of evolving associations and ideas that occurs in tandem with perceptions. I prefer to let it run free than to try to push it in certain directions, but when I do try to prompt it in certain directions, it generates different patterns that can be interesting in different ways.
4. What do you think of knowledge structures? Science? Academia? Philosophy?
I think its awesome that many humans are banding together or toiling alone in the united attempt to figure out reality. They may have different methodologies and axioms with which they approach truth, but that seems like a positive to me, since I think all these different approaches can synergise and feed into each other, as long as they are properly contextualised. Its true that rigidity tends to set in within institutionalised knowledge structures, and that is regrettable, but it doesn't invalidate the whole enterprise, it just means that the evolution of the knowledge structures is slowed somewhat. Some ideas can be wrong in certain ways and right in other ways, or there can be data which is accurate, but is inadequately interpreted due to inadequeate paradigms. Yet one doesn’t require 100% accuracy in ideas to gain use from them, as long as one knows what the specific biases at play are and can correct for them. The work of intellectual knowledge is a fragmentary stumbling towards the light of a holistic and clear understanding. As long as the surface is not reified as the essence, or the part confused for the totality, then it can aid in leading towards the essence. Knowledge structures in science may often reify the empirically observed surface as the ontological essence (which is their strength as well as their limit), but that doesn’t undermine the fact that certain correlations in data have been measured, and this can be used for more flexible and unbounded thought.
5. How would you describe your inner experience? Is it cohesive or do you have many ‘sides’ to you? What are your ‘sides’?
My inner experience has two primary modes, head-based and energetically embodied. In the head-based mode, I feel my awareness is spacious, centred in the head area, detached, perceptive, thoughtful, observing self and world from an impersonal vantage point. From that space everything seems like just patterns, its not focused on ‘me’, other people, what I want, what they want etc, its just a kind of observer. Its primary affective states seem to be about levels of interest, if we could call that affective (feels different from the affects of the body).
The other primary mode, energetic embodiment, feels very good, if sometimes somewhat manic (over time its getting less and less frenetically manic, and more of a smooth sustainable energy). It normally occurs if I get into a flow of interacting with another person on a bantery playful level, its a quite creative space, I feel the energy coursing through my body and mind, become very disinhibited, in a kind of flow state. In this state I would say I can also be a bit egotistical (playfully of course, he rationalises to himself) xD perhaps riding this energy from the unconscious gives me a bit of ego inflation. I noticed this in the past and again as the energy is smoothing out over time, my self-consciousness and balance in this state increases (which negatively correlates with ego inflation). What else gets me in this mode, basically just intense energetic music that ripples through my body.
Over time these two primary sides, detached and energised, seem to be coming into more and more of a relationship to each other, and I can switch between them more readily. Ultimately perhaps they will become one, as my default state. I can say I enjoy the energetic mode a lot more, it feels extremely alive, if a little bit unhinged. But I cant get into it at will, my default station is the detached mode. So I often seek out stimuli and people with which I can get into the energised mode, which can play into addictive behaviours and such.
I would say there is a third mode, which occurs less often than these other two (but is becoming gradually more prominent lately), and is subtler in my awareness. This mode is kind of like an emotional sensitivity, the way my heart feels about things. It can feel compassion, gentleness, a deep connection with the moment, even with the wider universe itself. Instead of the intense vibrating waves of the energised state, or the no-waves of the detached state, it has subtler, qualitatively richer and more complex waves that shift in relation to my real-time experience. This part of me feels the most connected to myself and others and the world, it is calm and happy and alive in a gentle way (rather than the sometimes violent aliveness of the energised state, or the relative flatness of the detached state).
6. What do you worry most about, at the social level? Do you have concerns about humanity?
I don’t really worry. Not because things are going swimmingly, but I guess I’m just not too prone to worry. I could rationalise it and say that because its beyond my sphere of control, I have the wisdom to not worry about it, because that would be fruitless. But perhaps closer to the truth is that I’m simply somewhat apathetic (perhaps that’s my detached mode default again). I would say I have a strange mixture of apathy and peace about things (society and things in general).
7. In what areas of life does accuracy matter most?
Understanding yourself and others. Perceiving your lived reality clearly. We are clothed in so many egoic delusions about ourselves and others and our life situation. This fucks up peoples happiness and functionality more than anything else as far as I can tell. We often trade truth for comfort, and in so doing, acquire neither.
8. What is your relationship to age and ‘time’? Would you consider yourself child like? Or more old-man/woman-like?
To myself I don’t seem like either. I just see it like I have modes, and those modes can be more energised and disinhibited (which is how many children are) or more detached and contemplative (which can be associated with the archetype of the ‘wise old man’, if you are trying to make that connection :P). I think we have to keep our inner child alive otherwise, what are we even doing here, just going through the motions. I guess my child-side predominates in the sense that, this is the part of me that has the most libidnal charge (in the jungian sense of general psychological energy), the way of being that makes me feel most alive. While some people seem to get more libidnal charge out of more regulated and externally productive activities. But at the same time I have a strong interest in getting to the truth of myself, which is decidedly not based on following the ‘line of maximum libido’ but often severely disrupts that line as I dig into painful subconscious energies that require healing.
9. Anything else you’d like to share?
Probably yes, I enjoyed these questions a lot, but this question is too broad xD Thanks for asking great questions! And I hope you find this helpful for your purposes.
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