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Another Discord discussion which I think might be of broader interest to some here? ![]()
very similar vibes, strong Pe Momentum +Te Avalanching.
There is this concept I've been mulling over that double extroversion is like "uncompressed" consciousness. It's as though there's an immediacy between thoughts and words, and the person is thinking in real-time. The uncompressed quality makes it so everything is worked out as it happens, including the confusions, questions, assertions, rethinkings... it's all right there. And the opposite is true with double introversion which seems like the most "compressed" form of consciousness, where it's like a zip file that crunches together the information into compact forms. The Uncompressed nature of double extroversion makes it so there's a lot of volume/inflation and less density per unit, while double introversion makes it so there's higher density per unit, but less volume. So the same idea may have been mulled over internally ten times, and compressed into a sentence, rather than decompressed into two paragraphs.
then all people are, at least potentially, double intro, double extro
right @Heresy , i'm only describing the extremes above. mhm
I like that we're using terms such as double extroverted/introverted for certain individuals, and I think we should apply this way of nicknaming developments to other ones such as J(PP) (double perceiver?), P(JJ) (double judger?) and II-- (maybe ambivert?).
@celeste - mhm, i don't know what we'll naturally land on but i've been calling them:
l--- = standard development
ll-- = pure reviser, pure conductor
l-l- = double extroverted, double introverted
l--l = polarized P-lead, polarized J-lead
lll- = J-heavy, P-heavy
ll-l = double extroverted introvert, double introverted extrovert
l-ll = inverted development
llll = four function conscious
some of these could surely use some shortening
A related snippet, with Doc's (FeSi l-l-) permission:
Like, it just has to happen on its own for me.
I relate to everything Doc has said, even the part where he mentions having to read the same line over and over -darned Ne- haha.
Thanks for sharing, here's a little section that I want to focus on since it caught my attention:
another thing we’ve seen in CT with double extroverts is what I sorta call “uncompressed” consciousness, where the person thinks as they talk, or talks as they think — so that their consciousness is “out there” for you in real-time, as it happens. this causes it to be uncompressed, so.. discussion is very much a process of working it out in the present.
Last month I started noticing a little habit that I didn't have before Te was brought into consciousness and is one that funnily enough, causes me to be extremely embarrassed if anyone sees me doing it.
More often than not, I just walk around my house or towards my local grocery store and think out loud things that I've done/experience/or would like to discuss or have a conversation about, like a movie that I’ve seen, food that I need to buy or a recent topic that I’m interested in. This sort of externalized-internal-dialogue, that I do to give shape to my thoughts, occurs while I wave my hands around like a lunatic as If I were talking or debating with someone even though I might be completely alone.
Prior to all of this, I could stay still, calm and talk as much as I wanted without having to be so expressive, nowadays I can barely form a sentence without gesticulating or going through a rapid rant that is mostly unintentional.
Although, I have to mention that most of those gestures and thoughts are clamped down and refined by Ji, so they’re not as "uncompressed" as I would like them to be.
*I do think it's there! still waiting for your response on this matter.
@auburn this may or may not lead to something.
l— = purifier
ll– = pure reviser, pure conductor
l-l- = pure extrovert, pure introvert
l–l = pure judger, pure perceiver
lll- = judge heavy, perceive heavy
ll-l = external heavy, internal heavy
l-ll = revise heavy, conduct heavy
llll = spread heavy
Edit: I'm not trying to come off insensitive. I just seem to like spending all day super simplifying things. I've been editing this post for hours. Like sharping diamonds forever.
Pretty neat stuff. Im currently trying to figure out how to have Fe conscious. The SeTi 1-1- seem like the most well adjusted in my opinion.
I understand where you are coming from @greencoyote, butI would caution against the notion that a particular development, SeTi l-l- in this case, is the most well adjusted. It might be the most well adjusted to a given life/situation, but I doubt it would be so for all situations/contexts. Also, to harp on my usual stuff, beware anyone telling you there is something with only benefits and no drawbacks. There is always a trade-off: such is life under the sun. We should always ask ourselves, what is the dark side of this? What are we giving up to gain this? We often fall into thinking that if there is a benefit to be had, it's worth having: we are maximalists of benefit. But we overlook the costs, we seek benefit, yes, but at what costs?
To give a salient example from social media, most people would argue that using Facebook gives them some benefit, some of the time, and so, they continue using it. Perhaps they get 10 minutes a week of benefit, at the investment of 200 minutes a week. The cost they pay is not commensurate with the benefit, and few would continue in such a deal once they realise the costs involved.
caution against the notion that a particular development, SeTi l-l- in this case, is the most well adjusted.
Agreed I'd say that my revision for the development titles embody to a degree what Fauress is saying. I'd hope it would give people a sense of what's being lost if they choose to disrupt what is native to them in exchange for what seems to be greater power.
Right.. when @faeruss was the only person who was typed at IIII, I had the sense that this was an ideal state, but that is just because I like the way his mind works and he seems like a stable, mature, thoughtful person, willing to recheck his opinions, philosophical yet pragmatic, spiritual yet real. However, I won't name names as it's purely subjective, but there have been other people typed at IIII including celebs - whose maturity and perspective was extremely questionable to me.
On the other hand, I know some I---'s who are just as brilliant as Faeruss although they are more specialized and less 'well rounded.' Personally I am a specializer in general, despite being III- and I do value this kind of mindset highly. Sometimes I wish my Fi had never developed - I feel it slowed me down and made me more self conscious and clutzy, less seductive --- then again, it was trauma which caused it to develop, and maybe it was the trauma itself and not the Fi that destroyed things I valued about myself, since the trauma of chronic illness is ongoing.
I decided after much internal ado, that there's nothing particularly magical about any development. I am not in a big rush to develop Ni, although I suspect it will happen because my Ni is not weak and it bubbles up adequately. But I'm not seeing a hierarchy of goodness or intelligence personally. It's all in how you use it.
I like your 'double' terms, @celeste! They synchronize nicely with the Double Extro/Intro we're already used to! Double J, Double P are just great IMO.
Last month I started noticing a little habit that I didn’t have before Te was brought into consciousness and is one that funnily enough, causes me to be extremely embarrassed if anyone sees me doing it.
More often than not, I just walk around my house or towards my local grocery store and think out loud things that I’ve done/experience/or would like to discuss or have a conversation about, like a movie that I’ve seen, food that I need to buy or a recent topic that I’m interested in. This sort of externalized-internal-dialogue, that I do to give shape to my thoughts, occurs while I wave my hands around like a lunatic as If I were talking or debating with someone even though I might be completely alone.
Prior to all of this, I could stay still, calm and talk as much as I wanted without having to be so expressive, nowadays I can barely form a sentence without gesticulating or going through a rapid rant that is mostly unintentional.
Although, I have to mention that most of those gestures and thoughts are clamped down and refined by Ji, so they’re not as “uncompressed” as I would like them to be.
*I do think it’s there! still waiting for your response on this matter.
Interesting! What I've found as I've been doing tones of Je (out of necessity, not really deliberately just to develop Je!) lately is that I get my strategic steps/plan of action from externalizing my thinking/brainstorming in someway; Usually, it's in telling someone what I will do (poor mom) but I found a private way to do it that's become pure magic! I just write it out, lol. Bullet point. I don't think about it prior, it's like the mere step of writing down the first basic step opens the part of us that knows how to do things. It's incredible! I've been able to get my ADD self motivated to do crazy difficult stuff all by myself just by doing this. It's kinda like brainstorming a mind-map for everything, but instead of post-its all over a canvas, it's simple bullets in my journal. It's kinda like a conversation with myself: How do we get here? Then an answer pop. What's the obstacle here? Another answer. And what would we need for this/that? Pop! I love it.
Like you, my old process was either just jumping in or withdrawing into myself (which I experienced as mystical since it was usually done as a prayer/convo with God).
@Faex
wow, you do exactly what my sister does. She is SeFi but with a semi conscious Te. Its all white boards and organizing tools. The bullet points sound healthy.
i get quite sick of hearing my sis impose her own personal schedule/timetable over everyones life. But then again. I will always love her and we have learned to laugh about our differences. I think Te also brings great money management skills. Which id KILL for lol
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