Zeptoform as Ti+Ni 'Cabalism'

[Juan E. Sandoval]

I was recently introduced by Yoda to a video on Zeptoform, and I want to post it here. It's yet another clear example of what I call Ti+Ni's Cabalistic processing style. However, I don't think I've ever seen a more 'pure' example of it than in this video. Almost everything that is said is perfect case-study of Ti+Ni psychology at work.

(This thread may be useful reference material for the contents herein.)

In the opening scene you see The Structure of Archetypes & Personality Types. Alongside of this we see in the background the following image:

In this image we see the Kabbalah's Sefirot, from where this function-pairing gets its name. In the center we see Metatron's cube, which is from the Kabbalah. But as we'll see, the general Ti+Ni tendency that is nicknamed Cabalistic, is far more broad-reaching, and Kabbalah is but one case-study or expression of this pair's operations at play in our world history. So bear in mind that 'Cabalistic' is a generic term as used in CT, not exclusively referring to Jewish thought, but the underlying mode of processing which produces this effect.

We continue on to the contents of the video:

In this video series a geometrical
structure which is called the septa form
is used as a map of archetypes in order
to explore personality types.
In mathematics a similarity of form is
called isomorphism it is a one-to-one
correspondence between the elements of
two or more groups.

The zeptoform is used to see various
kinds of isomorphism in the universe and
it enables us to apply the knowledge of
one field to many other fields for
example we will be able to use the
knowledge of particle physics for
personality psychology by finding the
isomorphism between elementary particles
and personality types.

For those of you who have been following the 2022 Lecture Series, you'll know that we've been tracking the connections between Hypnotic vultology (Ni) and a focus on isomorphisms; specifically how isomorphism can allow parity to exist between conscious subjects. And here in this video we see an attempt to draw another connection between mathematical laws and natural geometries, and the structure of consciousness. The underlying idea is that all things are connected, such that matter and mind follow each other as a parallel between physical shapes and consciousness-shapes (personalities). This is explained further here:

We will be able to use the knowledge of the laws of physics
for analyzing personality types and vice versa.
In this way we can build bridges between many different fields
the zeptoform not only represents the
universal structure but also algorithm.
This universal algorithm can be used to
analyze and predict the developmental
process of humans and societies also the
zepto-algorithmic structure can be used
to compose music as we will see in here
this is the three-dimensional structure
of the zeptoform.

We are then introduced to the works of the Enneagram, and music notes, as an example. The enneagram's personality-theory was mostly fleshed out by NiFe Claudio Naranjo, and the Enneagram symbol is another 'Cabalistic' symbol, where by Cabalistic i mean a geometry-to-mind relationship diagram. Ken Wilbur is also mentioned; an FeNi.  A.H. Almaas of the Enneagram is also mentioned; another NiFe. But in these particular works we see the imprint of their Ti+Ni at play. While the enneagram is one such isomorphic structure that offers mind-to-matter convergence, you'll also see this in Jungian typology, and Betas into Jungian typology are among those most keen to use this sort of structuralizing of mind-forms.

But what exactly is Ti+Ni, and how is this explained from the viewpoint of Ti+Ni operations?

My words are imperfect, and I cannot give an exact definition of Ti+Ni, I can only show it "working" like in the above video, so that the essence of its qualia may be comprehended. It is by its very nature a cryptic and 'hidden' function operation, so it resists explicit visibility. But part of what we see from it is the generation of geometric structures which 'map' elements of reality together; spanning from the material to the conscious, all in a holistic form. Mind is isomorphic to matter, and vice versa, often through principles of geometry.

This can be partly explained via Ti "Platonism", combined with Ni "Isomorphism." In the video above, it talks about platonic solids and platonic ideas - and these are used as the cornerstones through which the morphic cross-domain connections anchor themselves. It is impersonal (Ti) insofar as it's beside-oneself and universal (platonic). And that is part of why Beta philosophy remains so persistently similar across time.

Anyhow, this is not yet an exhaustive description of Ti+Ni psychology, but I hope this commentary can offer more information about how this comes together. These and other notes are preparations for the eventual writing of more formal resources.

For our Ti+Ni Beta members, what are your thoughts? Do you see yourself expressing these mind-structuring tendencies in your own ways? How does it manifest for you?

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[Juan E. Sandoval]

Here are some messages from the Discord discussion that sparked this:

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Yoda — Yesterday at 10:03 PM

Is that the quadras? The only thing with socionics (and even Auburn’s recently released videos) is that if you only consider Fe+Ni and Ti+Se for Beta Quadra, the entire thing is difficult to relate to. I’m sure in a future time there would be a Ti+Ni and Fe+Se thing in CT. But socionics doesn’t seem to conceive of that. I related to Gamma/Alpha Quadra in socionics.

Auburn | TiNe — Yesterday at 10:56 PM

we have them, yea. https://cognitivetypology.com/index.php?title=Inter-Function_Dynamics_(Model_1) you can find them here. (i really gotta make this info more visible, sorry) There are four that are considered central to each quadrant.

Index.php

• the titles have gone through some iterations, but currently those of Beta are called: Fe+Ni "Sectarian" Ti+Se "Sensationalist" Ti+Ni "Cabalist" Se+Fe "Opportunist"

This thread has an initial draft/discussion on them: https://cognitivetype.com/forums/topic/function-quadrants-preparing-to-rewrite/

There are symmetries within each set of four. For example the four Ji+Pi types are different forms of ..not exactly spirituality, but... investigations of the hidden and transcendent.

When both functions are looking inward, and there's no gazing outward, it creates this sort of all consuming focus on the hidden, the underlying, the secretive but [spiritually] accessible. And there's a codification [Ji] effort, and a mapping effort [Pi] directed to this.

Yoda — Yesterday at 11:15 PM

I think Zeptoform is a good example of Ti + Ni maybe. But I don’t know who the guy is who made it.

https://youtu.be/0Vf1eMSzeRA

• Auburn | TiNe — Yesterday at 11:19 PM

  exactly that!

• oh my gosh, it couldn't be more precise.

the zepto form is used to see various kinds of isomorphism in the universe and it enables us to apply the knowledge of one field to many other fields for example we will be able to use the knowledge of particle physics for personality psychology by finding the isomorphism between elementary particles and personality types

unison — Yesterday at 11:22 PM

This is compatible with, but quite a bit different from, the idea I'm currently working on

Auburn | TiNe — Yesterday at 11:23 PM

By the way Unison I see you do this sort of thing - in the way you harmonize together topics like energetic functions [consciousness elements] with mathematical and symmetrical structures, like 'waveforms'.. and then creation of diagrams that comes with that

unison — Yesterday at 11:29 PM

I'm working on another idea that makes different predictions, but it'll be a while before that can be talked about. Lots of early testing and such to be done. But if it describes what I hope it will describe, then it'll be a different part of the picture that will probably join/coincide with this idea. It's a different scope

Yoda — Yesterday at 11:37 PM

@unison is borrowing my Ni. I cannot draw geometric shapes anyway.

unison — Yesterday at 11:38 PM

When people confide in me, I see their psychological state as geometrical shapes. It's hard to explain and seems like something that should not be. Lol

Moving geometrical shapes, though, in certain patterns

• Like I actually "see" where a person is compartmentalizing and such

And how the compartments interact in motion through time

Auburn | TiNe — Yesterday at 11:49 PM

I'm still freaking out about the Zeptoform video.

I gotta process.

• @Yoda how did you find it?

it only has 59 views

Yoda — Yesterday at 11:50 PM

Zeptoform.com has the rest of the course.

Yoda — Yesterday at 11:51 PM

Yes, it is secret knowledge lmao.

It’s amazing how you can’t even find it anywhere.

Even if you search for Zeptoform online you won’t find it.

Auburn | TiNe — Yesterday at 11:52 PM

read: sectarian 😀

unison — Yesterday at 11:52 PM

Solid marketing strategy: Make yourself so hard to find that people are proud they found it and mystified, increasing spread through word of mouth

TheRamsIX — Yesterday at 11:57 PM

When I first saw the zeptoform video I thought "this dude gets me". 😀

[Supah Protist]

I see your zeptoform and raise you one tesseract: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/118Fhjlpla6SGlY-rpr0j5MygqMrt9RbX26ztrhnR888/edit

[Rams]

Nice matrix! I realized it was recursive.  This should totally be set up as 3D globe.

[Supah Protist]

Thanks. It’s actually 4D. In 3 dimensions it would look like a torus.

[Rams]

Are the other 4 sheets integrated into that as mirrored matrices?

[Supah Protist]

Not really. The four basic dichotomies assumed by the first matrix are Pe vs. Pi, Je vs. Ji, SeNi vs. NeSi and TeFi vs. FeTi. The other matrices have different fundamental dichotomies.

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