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  • Rickus
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    I had a rather strange vision of foetuses floating in the ocean. They were then poured out onto my lap as I was laying on my bed and I tried to keep them alive, in the same way they keep prematurely born babies alive in hospital. I find this vision really strange but fascinating.

    Bera
    Moderator
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Hey @Rickus !

    Was it active imagination?

    Or how did the vision start?

    Also…what do you think about it? What is it about?

    I used to see foetuses in visions too. And those were pretty much active imagination, I guess.

    Typically I was turning into a foetus though. Then into an old lady. Then back into a foetus. Reminding me of cycles and maybe of moon phases.

    Do you know your gut fix in Enneagram?

    Rickus
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Hi Bera. I would call it something like daydreaming except it’s something that happens spontaneously in my mind visually

    Well I am still unsure of what it could mean. It seemed like I had to rescue the foetuses and put them in a breeding chamber. Perhaps they could signify my dreams and ambitions that I have to nurture, almost like seeds that need to be watered.

    But it could signify that I am pro-life and anti abortion. Just not sure how that would come into a daydream.

    Rickus
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    My gut fix in enneagram is probably type 9. My main type is 7 and my heart type is 4.

    But I guess one test isn’t necessarily enough to tell you what your type is. I’ve just always thought Type 9 was a lot nicer than the angry Type 8 and the morally superior Type 1. Though I guess I see myself in all 3. I can be quite protective of my loved ones and want to stand up for them, I want peace at heart but am more likely to get into an argument than keep quiet (with my family that is, in public I avoid conflict) and I relate to type 1 as well because I have very firm beliefs about what is good and evil (though this could be my Fi-Te moral compass).

    I find the enneagram as a whole to be less reliable than CT but its still interesting nonetheless.

     

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by Rickus.
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    Bera
    Moderator
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Well I am still unsure of what it could mean. It seemed like I had to rescue the foetuses and put them in a breeding chamber. Perhaps they could signify my dreams and ambitions that I have to nurture, almost like seeds that need to be watered.

    Yes, this was my first hunch too. Dreams to be fulfilled. New ideas and projects to be carried out. Seeds.

    It can be connected to being pro life, since you would be for the life of your ideas and creative projects too. no? They are quite similar to children.

    So, maybe it is about that. Do you have any new ideas or projects on your mind right now? Anything to nurture and help grow?

    • This reply was modified 4 months, 1 week ago by Bera.
    Rickus
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Hi Bera

    So I had another series of visions and it linked up nicely to what you said about the fetuses being symbolic of my dreams.

    Firstly I saw a vision of a mermaid, but a voice told me that this mermaid was dead. Then I saw a zebra and it was like small boys were being fed to this zebra, it devoured them whole.

    For some reason I find parallels with my neighbours who don’t want me to sing in our neighborhood and the zebra eating the children. One time I sang in the garage and he very loudly shouted at me to stop. I stormed out and swore at him out of anger and shock. I later made peace with him.

    I have read some dream dictionaries. The mermaid apparently signifies temptations, and a dead mermaid means overcoming temptation. But I can’t help but pity the mermaid.

    The zebra has many meanings, but I feel like the zebra is almost like society trying to kill my dream of being a singer or of doing anything creative. I feel like a square peg forced into a round hole many times, out of place with society. If I conform by doing my usual job of teaching English (which I don’t hate, its alright) I feel unfulfilled. It surely brings money in, but my heart isn’t really in it.

    I was definitely repulsed by the zebra eating the baby boys, but ironically it seemed like I was actually the one feeding them to the zebra. My mind is such a crazy place hahaha.

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    Bera
    Moderator
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Seelie

    @Rickus …how do I start. there is SO much to talk about.

    One year or maybe even 2 years ago I started a journey of development and one of the main things I was doing at the time was active imagination.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_imagination

    I did not even know this was what I was doing and I had no idea whatsoever of the consequences.

    Part of it was trying to see my functions as archetypal figures. Which Jung seemed to do too and described in the Red Book – I am pretty sure Salome was a representation of his Se, hence why she was blind or why she was together with Elijah, a prophet ! He did not even know he was an Se-Ni user, I think he thought Salome was rather connected to his Fe..? I might be wrong here.

    Anyway, we can start from Jung, because, like us, he was an Se-Ni user. He basically was accessing this world where he met up with fully fleshed out characters, with their own personalities and voices. Who had a certain autonomy, right?

    Of course this led to a lot of insight about the psyche and to one of the greatest contributions in this field if not the greatest.

    But on a personal level this journey is dangerous, which he mentioned himself several times.

    I’d argue it is more dangerous for Se-Ni users than it is for Ne-Si, but it’s simply based on accounts I saw from Ne-Si users doing active imagination versus ours.

    Think about it like this (and I will use the old model because I need to understand the new one better in order to talk about it in a serious way and this is a serious topic).

    The Se user will constantly be receiving a photographic feed from the outer world, and thus will have a heightened receptivity to sensory information, which can be both overwhelming when undesired and highly stimulating when accepted and honed.

    The Ni user will be very graphic in their consciousness, thinking in visuals and representing the world through visual metaphors.

    A different effect we often see in a distressed Ni user is a series of apocalyptic visions. They may experience nightmares, either when asleep or awake, vividly depicting scenes of war, destroyed buildings, massacres and the end of a civilization. And the Ni user may experience these sudden flashes with the same level of physicality with which they experience their waking life –making it difficult to discredit them as illusions.

    And then, mixing Fi in, there is a certain focus on the biotic and, consequently, on nature.

    Hence, our unconscious might present itself as a place of death and decay.

    And what are we actually doing? Jung said it’s an alchemical process, we are doing inner alchemy. Parts of us are interacting with each other, like substances that get mixed together in a lab. And there are reactions. That we easily see presenting themselves as biotic. Which can naturally send us on a track connected to the food chain. One aspect of our psyche needs to “die” in order for another one to flourish and there is a metamorphosis and energy transmission going on. It’s very likely we will visualize this as creatures killing and devouring each other. Think about it…what way to represent this process could be clearer?

    My visions were very similar to yours. There was definitely a lot of killing and devouring. I will give an example, a little girl in the moors attacked, killed and devoured by an eagle. This was not the idea of the eagle eating her, I could very well see the flesh torn apart, hear bones breaking, see blood spilling.

    I think there are dangers in using this method and I would advise to thread with caution. It is traumatizing to have vivid inner imagery of this sort. You can dismiss it with “oh, it’s just images”, but these images have emotional effects !

    I highly advise rather doing a meditation in which you are aiming to only focus on your breath or on the flame of a candle. Or on sending love to the world. Heart or third eye stimulating meditations. With little visual components. Because in the end these inner alchemical processes will happen either way. We don’t need to be there and see them while they are unfolding. We can do it and there will be tremendous insight gained, but there are risks on our emotional well being and the level of badassery needed to cross hell and get out of it whole and emotionally stable is really very high.

    So, I am not a specialist at all but I’d say – acknowledge these are natural mental processes on a developmental journey but just let the engine work without checking it too much. We won’t see exactly what’s going on anyway, but only representations of it.

    I went through this and it was a dark night of the soul with complete disconnection from the Divine and from my personal power and a very anxious, almost psychotic place to be. I AM wiser but I also lost innocence and see myself as forever touched by Evil, as someone who knows how much darkness there actually is in me. (hahaha beta ST’s reading this and cracking up)

    So, was it worth it? Not sure. Maybe. But I would still not advise it. Breaking a leg can be an experience that makes you wiser but would I advise people to jump off a bridge and break their legs? Not really. 🙂

    If you really want to do it, you have to at least be prepared for vivid, dark, visceral imagery with evil vibes and for short or maybe even long term problems like anxiety, paranoid ideation etc. Know it will not be a coincidence but a direct consequence of opening the gates to your unconscious and that you will need to handle this and balance the light with the dark with little actual help, as there is no clear methodology on how to handle temporary issues caused by individuation, as far as I know.

    I can say Se volition does help. Se “trickster behavior” does help. Seeing any creature who appears as a foe as being ultimately supportive helps tremendously. We do have resources to navigate this place. But just because it can work does not mean it will, you know? So, be careful with this !!

    Rickus
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Perhaps I am experiencing active imagination because at age 17 i did hypnotherapy, and this probably opened up my subconscious and made it come out into my conscious mind.

    I think to me it can be either beneficial or harmful, but overall it’s quite cathartic and fascinates me, being an imaginative, creative person.

    Sure I have my moments where I see really dark, visceral imagery, but this is usually an indicator of negative emotions or life experiences that have recently happened.

    I am a little hesitant to open my third eye and such, I’d prefer to call it my mind’s eye and I guess from a religious perspective I’ve been told it’s dangerous, which is probably true. But I also believe in prophetic visualisation and was taught to channel my imagination in that manner.

    Are you speaking of Elijah the prophet? Very fascinating. I’ve always believed I was prophetic in some way, and it’s interesting that Se is linked to it, not just Ni which is something I always thought was prophetic.

    I had an Ni dream once where I saw a third world war taking place in Asia. Very vivid scenes of war. But to me mind it may just signify a process dream or “pizza” dream, not all dreams and active imaginations have meaning necessarily. I feel these things are all linked to perception, it is up to our judgment functions to analyse it.

    But thank you for your advice.

    Rickus
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    And I am sharing these things out of curiosity, but perhaps it may upset some people, so I can see why you would advise me not to overshare, ha ha I am guilty of that sometimes.

    Bera
    Moderator
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Ohh, I am not advising to not share it. No, not at all.

    It’s very good to share it.

    I am more advising to be careful with the practice itself.

    Rickus
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Oh I see. Well I don’t think its actually a practice, its more of a passive thing, the way a person daydreams without much conscious effort.

    Its really the same as dreaming, perhaps its better to call it is passive imagination, but when interacting with it mentally it may become lucid or active imagination I guess. In any case its alright.

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