Soft Readings: IV

[Juan E. Sandoval]

Hello!
I'm beginning the next set of reading requests from the patreon group-- gathering from the #2 options submitted. If you haven't submitted yours yet, you can still do so under the newest update.
Here goes!

Jeff Beck

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Most likely: SeTi (l--l)
Less likely: Beta ST
Unlikely: Anything else
Jeff Beck appears to me as belonging squarely to the same shade as Trent Reznor, as an SeTi rock guitarist. It's quite uncanny how many Se's are musicians in the database-- the pattern seems so consistent.
Beta:

We can see the Beta quadra in the above still images of when he was younger, including Fe Zygomatic Smile (middle bottom), and Fe Upset Tension (up right). And the hypnotic/sharp Se/Ni eyes are apparent in every image.
As for his energetics:
1:12

^ Pe Bubbling Momentum
2:02

^ Pe Body Swaying + Se Gravity Effect + Se Bodily Awareness
1:11

^ Se Eye-Head Parallel Motion
We see the signs of Pe-lead quite clearly. But he does have seveal inertial Pi elements, including moments of diagonal drifts and fixed gazes. My tentative estimate of his development would be SeTi l--l Directive, but his development might be somewhat different. Also, he still appears SeTi in old age, but has some more J development in comparison to his youth.

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[Juan E. Sandoval]

Christopher Hitchens

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Most likely: TeNi ll--
Less likely: NiTe ll--
Unlikely: Fe Conductor
Christopher Hitchens is clearly a high-Ni conductor, with both Je+Pi conscious. This is immediately apparent, however the matter of his J axis is a bit more subtle --though when looking closely what we see is:

As well as GIFs like...

^ Fi Excessive Contempt

^ Fi Excessive Contempt

^ Fi Excessive Contempt + Te Sassy Emphasis / Te Head Shake
He tends to have a reserved, mumbly, articulation.. which obscures some of his Fi signals by making them more subtle. But if you zoom in and micro-pause you'll see they're abundant.
There is some slight signal mixing such as with Fe coordinated emphasis on occasion, but his Te monotone voice, Fi snarling smiles, Te square cheeks and Fi asymmetrical smiles outweight these factors. And as well know, it's possible for Te users to imitate Fe's coordinated emphasis but what is not easy to imitate are the signals of the mouth which are more fundamental.
This makes Christopher Hitchens a Te+Ni Unseelie conductor, but just from this partial analysis I don't entirely know if it's TeNi or NiTe yet. I'd have to do a deeper dive to iron it out completely.

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[Juan E. Sandoval]

Ted Bundy

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Most likely: FeSi l-l- Directive + Flat Affect
Less likely: NeTi l-l- Directive
Unlikely: FeNi
Ted Bundy is an Alpha type, from what I can tell. He appears Je-lead so he's got the default "hardening" of the brow but this is not to be confused with Ni. We can see the difference clearly in these photos:

^ We can see glimpses of the naivete of Ne above, and the quirky look to his perk ups (left-most image), where the eyelid is raised off the eye but the area directly above the eyelid is soft (preseptal), as is the case for Ne/Si types. But we can also see the signals of Si:

As for his J axis, we see his Fe/Ti in:

^ Fe Coordianted Emphasis + Je Pointed Emphasis ....+ Pe Bubbling Momentum

^ Fe Zygomatic Smile + Fe Coordinated Emphasis
Altogether this lets us know he's Alpha, but he's also double-extroverted. He's got a lot of Je articulation but also a lot of bodily restlessness and body swaying. We can see the conjunction of these two (Je+Pe) in the GIF below:

^ Je Head Nods + Pe Body Swaying
But Je is above Pe, as all of his Pe gestures are within the context of Je, and all his hits still are definitive, as discussed recently in the codifier videos.
So he's an FeSi l-l-... but also with flat affect:

This would actually put him in the same shade as FeSi Charles Manson. It seems to me from reading his wiki that he may have also been manic, which is often the case with double-extroverted types + flat affect. He was diagnosed with a lot of different things, at a lot of different times, though.

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[Rua]

Interesting. One thing that really threw me when typing Christopher Hitchens was his propensity for shaming (though the vultology is def. TeNi or NiTe). The man makes no compunctions about publicly shaming others, (often writing with a brilliantly well-aimed vitriol) and after correcting my typing to Gamma Conductor, I realized there could be a significant link between the shaming-reflex of Directive Fe and the disgust-reflex of Unseelie Fi. One oversimplified way to put it is that when Unseelie Fi shames others it is for the purpose of making someone else’s behavior less disgusting to the Unseelie Fi’s conception of rights and dignities (often with the express purpose of improving the world). And when Directive Fe shames someone the goal is to make that person disgusted with themselves/ their own behavior, to have them internalize the shame, also as a means of ostensibly improving the world (making it in the image they align with). As always, the rightness of the actions are subjective and contextual.

[Juan E. Sandoval]

That's a very keen observation Rondo. Yes, I see the same thing with TeSi Richard Dawkins, where it's more of a disgust or repulsion (from unseelie Fi) at certain things, or even people. It's condemnation, but from a more snobby place, rather than from an oppressive-father sense. That's more the Denzel Washington way of shaming, if you've seen any of his movies. Or Tom Cruise when he gets heated. The sort of offense Dawkins and Hitchens show is for certain ideas that are repugnant.

[EpicEntity]

I think my account is still active. Second choice was John Cooper. Third choice was Julien Blanc. I think I will go with Julien for now... if it's not too late.

[Animal]

Cool. We guessed TiSe or SeTi for Jeff Beck too 🙂
We had veered toward TiSe since he is so incredibly shy, hiding under his hair, etc. But more and more, I'm seeing Pe leads be painfully shy while many Ji leads are well spoken and on point in an interview.
Jeff Beck, Jeff Martin and Trent Reznor are brilliant creative musicians who did groundbreaking work.   All SeTi. And all were excessively shy.  Trent Reznor is the only one who moved past his shyness as he got older, like I did.  Both Trent and myself took to exercising, leading wider public projects etc. Which is interesting since we both have 4 and 5 in our tritypes. Those types are withdrawn in the sense of prioritizing an internal world at the expense of integration with the wider world, but they become increasingly confident in their ability to express that internal world.  Whereas JM & JB both have 6 and 9 in their tritype (as well as four)... Jeff Martin is 9 leading, and Jeff Beck, 6 lead.  Both are double-attachment and also attachment lead, with some anxiety about the messy interiorized shame of four being perceived by outsiders as 'weird,' so they hide under their hair. Note that not all 649s or 964s do this, but this is just what I see in them both, and it is intriguing that they're Se leads and share this commonality. I also know a 649 irl who is probably SeTi (he has to be the same type as Jeff Beck, visually). And he is just like this, brilliant musician, painfully shy.

[Tea]

I didn’t read that slowly enough to digest it, but I’ll comment on why I shame 🙂
I shame with the assumption the person is somehow dishonest with themselves about their actions or too comfortable when they should actually be troubled. The goal is definitely to make them internalize their behavior and change it.
I may feel hatred/threat/disgust that a person is okay with their actions, and if I shame it’s because I’ve taken the role of catalyst, and I won’t tolerate their tolerating that element of themself with comfort. It’s definitely about creating pressure and having them share in my sense of disgust. And the end goal IS to improve the world and conform it to my ideal (ya know, “the” ideal), though my immediate goal may actually be to restore the relationship and my sense of respect for the person.

[EpicEntity]

@tea I'm glad you shared that. We seem to be at the most obvious of odds. At first I was going to be like that is totally wrong. Really it's probably just the unpleasant reality of NeFi vs SeTi inverse perspective.
If someone were to pressure me especially in tea's way I would locate all associating triggers and dismantle them before any satisfying level of visible responses occur. Likely they would say I have not learned my lesson. I'd say something like "I'm no longer a participant in that reality and whatever consequences lay ahead is my own personal responsibility".
Vague energetic application: I have to explore what I have signed into and then find away to sign out. The reason I have clothes on around others is out choice and generosity. Some perfer me not reveal my cubby unattractive body and I give then exactly that as a gift. If they don't accept it as a gift then I default to my choice of clothes or no clothes. If I choose no clothes then they will see me naked.
The closest I come to shaming someone. Is when someone thinks respect is something seperate from their own individual authenticity. In nutshell if someone expects me to act as 'everyone else' instead of 'being true who I am' things go south pretty fast.
I sense it's going to be so weird when I get back to Virginia from Los Vegas. I may have to go through a reorientation period.
Edit 1: typo and grammar
Edit 2: version of shame

[Juan E. Sandoval]

Junji Ito

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Most likely: TiSe l-l- Adaptive with Flat Affect
Less likely: NiFe l-l- Adaptive with Flat Affect
Unlikely: Anything Else
Oh @thanatesque , you chose an interesting fellow. Junji appears to be double-introverted and Beta. First I'd like to note his function quadrant in images such as:

His eyes are rather straightfowardly Ni/Se. His J axis appears visible in images, but even more clearly in animated GIFs such as:
4:14

^ Fe Zygomatic Smile + Fe Adaptive Emulation
2:29

^ Ti Stop-Start Articulation
And we see moments of his unbroken Ni gaze in places such as:
1:22

^ Ni Zoned Out Stare
TiSe vs NiFe?
Now the question with him really is whether he's TiSe or NiFe. It's unclear in his older videos but this seems fairly settled to me after having looked at younger videos of him such as:

^ In here there's an abundance of reviser doubt, eye-toggling, Ti and Ji meticulousness, etc. He has the qualities of a Reviser, although he appears to have strong levels of Ni even at this age. Still, since this is a soft-reading, NiFe is not out of the question.
Flat Affect:
A final point to note is:

....that he also has flat affect, which appears most clearly in these images, particularly the middle one. He has heavily fallen cheeks, and not just because of age. There's an active downward constriction of the lip corners alongside an additional heaviness to the eyes.
And once again we see a correlation of flat affect with dark and disfigured artworks/fantasies, as we've seen in several database samples (Heresy, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Marilyn Manson, Tim Burton, etc)

 
But I don't know much about him, as this is my first exposure to his work.

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[Juan E. Sandoval]

Julien Blanc

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Most likely: SeTi l-l- Directive
Less likely: FeNi, NeTi
Unlikely: FeSi
Julien Blanc has some curious eye anatomy that I think works against his native vultology. Here is a collage of images of his Se/Ni eyes:

You can see in images like the upper right, how the eyes have the taut preseptal region and the soft/lowered pretarsal region. But he does have a soft squishiness to his eyes from below. This creates more ambiguous moments like:

^ ...where the middle pic looks deceptively Ne. But seen in context (i.e. the left/right photos) we see that the overall eye tension remains in the Se pattern.
He does many moments of Se Amped Eyes as well, and his psychology matches Se quite clearly. He appears to be another Se-lead pickup artist. Beta. Although he could be FeNi l-l- too. It's hard to say because he deliberately works on what is essentially amping up Je in the body to appear more charismatic.
He's done this to himself to some extent, but it appears to be more like an over-compensation. In other words, he doesn't appear to have King energy to me, but instead to be a Puer jokester playing the role of a pseudo-King.
Notice how he's got so much looseness:
0:00

^ Pe + Je
1:01

^ Pe > Je
For someone who is trying to "Je" as much as possible, if they were Je-lead there would be no confusion - for example as we see in Tony Robbins. Instead this is a Pe-lead valuing Je articulation and becoming double-extroverted + Directive with it, and coaching on that modality.
I may be quite wrong, as this is just a soft reading, but this is how he appears to me.

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[EpicEntity]

Your possible findings are amazingly parallel to a lot of my own theories.
Without realizing it they try hard to be something they think is more then themselves.
"Smiling now will make you smile for real later on" --Julien (not exactly what was said, yet close) 2017ish
Think there is true art in pick up artistry, I believe Julien has found quite bit, but at the core of it all he likely lost his soul. Even now I'm not sure if I can say has completely recovered with his full dive into self development.
As some of you may already know, especially Auburn, I've invested all of my mid-twenties to what I believe they believed was very important.
I'm still trying to heal anxiety empowered by narcissistic tendencies. The separation is very deep and interlocking.
John Copper goes into detail about the cognitive dissonance based damage in the PUA culture. Best stuff I know of so far.
PS: I can't wait to see the quiz results

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