Alpha Ti+Ne Ephemerality (Music)

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  • Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    In this thread I’ll be painting a picture of what Alpha Ephemerality is (as an emergent Ti+Ne behavior) using musicians as a case study. I think this needs greater explication after the recent clarifications of the difference between Ti/Fi and any sort of emotional component. The people I’ll be presenting are clearly very emotional beings. And given the very emotionally charged nature of music, and the undeniably affective quality of it as embedded by the musician, we can properly see how high Ti users are not unemotional, but that emotionality can, and often does, coexist with Alpha Ti+Ne ephemerality. By extension it also decouples emotionality necessarily from Fi.

    Composition of Ti+Ne Ephemerality

    But first a few notes on what ‘ephemerality’ means here. First of all this is a technical term not identical with the dictionary term. It refers to the emergent effects of Ti+Ne, specifically Ti’s aspiration for an archimedian point (third-person-ness) that is absolute, in combination with Ne’s modularity and contingency on emergentism.

    What this does is it creates a situation where Ti struggles to find non-contingent absolutes (about subjects), because Ne presents a tapestry of reality as always “easy to vary” and the notion that “it could be this too, or that” presents a sea of potential interpretations for things that makes it decisively difficult to settle in one place. Deltas have a similar effect in Fi+Ne, leading to ethereality, but in Deltas the ambivalence is more about reality’s construction, not about subjects. For Ti+Ne, there is an ambivalence about the ontology of ‘subjects’ themselves that must be overcome. And each Ti+Ne treats this differently, but it is a “problem” they need to contend with — even if they solve it, and many do.

    Some common ways Alpha Revisers “solve” this:

    • 1. Choosing, by some Ti-Fe justified reasoning, to land on a notion of “what they are” based on what they see of themselves “as a human” (i.e. outside-in self-observation)
    • 2. Choosing to see oneself as a fluidity, an emergence composed of influences that have been accumulated over time but which have no necessary obligation to stay the same.
    • 3. Not choosing to define oneself, and thus remaining agnostic about what they are but deciding to live through it anyway — but just without any fixed self-concept.

    It’s in these definitions that the term ephemerality starts to come into focus. The dictionary definition comes as: “Noun. 1. ephemerality – the property of lasting for a very short time. ephemeralness, fleetingness. transience, transiency, transitoriness – an impermanence that suggests the inevitability of ending or dying.”

    The key aspect of this term that’s of value to us is not time (we all die and have limited time), but the absoluteness or non-absoluteness of whatever we are. Ephemerality here is ontological rather than temporal. There’s an inescapable contingency, for the Ti user, on some outwardly justified metric (Fe) for their biotic truth.

    Identity?

    However this doesn’t mean Alpha Ti’s will lack a sense of identity. Quite the contrary, I think all Ti users have one, and by virtue of being high-Ji they’re more prone to obsess over the question. But the definition always has to be constructed with some usage of Fe, and thus source from some interpersonal reality. This interpersonal dependency can be something like ‘what they can give back to the world’, ‘what they achieve’, or  ‘what kind of person was I [seen-as/in-the-world]’.

    Anyhow, here are some very emotional Alpha Revisers demonstrating this conundrum:

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Miranda Diamandis

    Lyrics

    Spoiler:

    [Verse 1]
    The pagodas and the palaces
    Dressed in gold leaf, hide the damages
    Spot the geisha as she balances
    Life’s a cakewalk full of challenges

    [Verse 2]
    Go to Russia, see the red square
    Lenin’s body lying dead there
    From Kyoto, Hiroshima
    Watch the black clouds crawling nearer

    [Pre-chorus]
    There were riots in America
    Just when things were getting better
    All these things I’ve done and seen
    Still I don’t what life means

    [Chorus]
    All the people living in
    Living in the world today
    We’re united by our love
    We’re united by our pain
    Ooh
    All the things that I’ve done and seen
    Still I don’t know, don’t know what it means

    [Verse 3]
    Fly to Athens past the Parthenon
    See the village where my father’s born
    To Chicago from Angola
    São Paulo to Verona

    [Pre-chorus]
    And anywhere you go you see
    People are just like you and me
    All the things I’ve done and seen
    Still I don’t what life means

    [Chorus]
    All the people living in
    Living in the world today
    We’re united by our love
    We’re united by our pain
    Ooh
    All the things I’ve done and seen
    Still I don’t know, don’t know what it means

    To Be Human
    Ooh, ooh, ooh
    Still I don’t know, don’t know what it means
    To be human
    A real human being

    [Bridge]
    I like to think about how we all look from afar
    People driving fancy cars look like beetles to the stars
    The missiles and the bombs sound like symphonies gone wrong
    And if there is a God, he’ll know why it’s so hard

    [Chorus]
    To Be Human
    Ooh, ooh, ooh
    Still I don’t know, don’t know what it means
    To be human
    A real human being

    [Outro]
    I want connection
    I want to feel human again
    Lost my direction
    I want to feel human again

    To be Human
    To be Human
    To be Human
    To be Human
    To be Human

    There’s so much Ti/Fe in this song that it’s hard to know where to begin, but I’ll just take a few highlights.

    “To Be Human” is the title. This song is very much about “the human condition”, which is a phrase that itself puts the person at a distance. Calling oneself a human is already treating oneself as an external object. You’ll notice this is a common theme.

    There were riots in America
    Just when things were getting better
    All these things I’ve done and seen
    Still I don’t know what life means

    ^ The song starts by listing anecdotes (Si) and watching these different situations, as if from afar, and after three scenarios it says “…still I don’t know what it means [to be human].”

    And anywhere you go you see
    People are just like you and me
    All the things I’ve done and seen
    Still I don’t know what life means

    ^ This line emphasizes the common denominator between people (Fe), and then goes into biotic agnosticism (Ti)

    To Be Human
    Ooh, ooh, ooh
    Still I don’t know, don’t know what it means
    To be human
    A real human being

    ^ “A real human being” is a very interesting line. Not all alpha revisers experience a sense of not being real, but Marina is one of those renditions of alpha that fits definition #3, of not knowing.

    I want connection
    I want to feel human again
    Lost my direction
    I want to feel human again

    To be Human
    To be Human
    To be Human
    To be Human
    To be Human

    ^ This is again specific to Marina, but I’ve personally known this feeling. In some cases alpha reviser psychology can lead to a sort of “impostor syndrome” when it comes to being oneself. It’s not really about “feeling” or not “feeling” things — clearly Marina has lots of feels, but there’s a questioning about their realness status. It doesn’t matter how much they ‘feel’, they can still sense an artificiality to them if they’re being cognitively depreciated.

    Lyrics

    Spoiler:

    I wanna be immortal
    Like a god in the sky
    I wanna be a silk flower
    Like I’m never gonna die
    I wanna live forever
    Forever in your heart
    And we’ll always be together
    From the end to the start

    [Pre-Chorus 1]
    That’s what we do it for, to reserve a place
    It’s just another part of the human race
    That’s what we do if for, to reserve a space
    In history it’s just part of the human race, race
    (Race, race, race, race)
    (Race, race, race, race)
    (Race, race, race, race)
    (Race, race, race, race)

    [Chorus]
    I’m forever chasing after time
    But everybody dies, dies
    If I could buy forever at a price
    I would buy it twice, twice
    But if the Earth ends in fire
    And the seas are frozen in time
    There’ll be just one survivor
    The memory that I was yours and you were mine
    Everybody dies, dies
    Chasing after time, time

    [Verse 2]
    When you love somebody
    They’ll always leave too soon
    But a memory, a memory
    Can make a flower bloom
    We wanna be remembered
    Don’t wanna live in vain
    But nothing lasts forever
    This world is in a losing game

    [Pre-Chorus 2]
    I wanna mean something to somebody else
    Feel a significance in the real world
    It’s not enough to live out a lucky life
    (Life, life, life, life, life)

    [Chorus]
    I’m forever chasing after time
    But everybody dies, dies
    If I could buy forever at a price
    I would buy it twice, twice
    But if the Earth ends in fire
    And the seas are frozen in time
    There’ll be just one survivor
    The memory that I was yours and you were mine
    Everybody dies, dies
    Chasing after time, time

    [Bridge]
    No, I don’t want to be afraid, afraid to die, (die, die)
    I just wanna be able to say that I have lived my (life, life)
    Oh, all these things that humans do
    To leave behind a little proof
    But the only thing that doesn’t die is love, love, love, love, love

    [Chorus]
    I’m forever chasing after time
    But everybody dies, dies
    If I could buy forever at a price
    I would buy it twice, twice
    But if the Earth ends in fire
    And the seas are frozen in time
    There’ll be just one survivor
    The memories of our lifetime (life)
    Everybody dies, dies (life)
    Chasing after time, time

    [Outro]
    So keep me alive, so keep me alive
    So keep me alive, alive
    Race, race, race, race

    This song is difficult for me to listen to without tearing up…

    Because it happens to align with my personal existential experience. However, once again this is specific to Marina, and other types can certainly echo the overall sentiment. But, we’re specifically looking for alpha ephemerality:

    That’s what we do it for, to reserve a place
    It’s just another part of the human race
    That’s what we do if for, to reserve a space
    In history it’s just part of the human race, race
    (Race, race, race, race)
    (Race, race, race, race)
    (Race, race, race, race)
    (Race, race, race, race)

    ^ Once again we see the third-person term “human race”, with an excessive repetitive emphasis on the word. The matter (the existential dilemma) is being confronted at the collective level. It’s not about any one person, but all of us being in this predicament.

    “That’s what we do it for, to reserve a place” <– this line in particular assumes intent. The intent assumed here is ‘legacy’, some sort of social and external reality that lives on after our ephemerality fades.

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    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Chris Corner

    Lyrics

    Spoiler:

    I’ve got this funny feeling that I just can’t shake
    The devil in the wires, the data eating up my brain
    There’s a flood that’s coming up to my bed
    Chaos wins and I can’t get over it

    How do I even learn to play the human way?
    Smiles without a heart, weird mechanical mistakes
    There’s a flood that’s coming up to my bed
    Love’s out there but I’m indifferent

    Stand up can you keep your head?
    Love me like tomorrow we’re dead

    Beauty, violence
    War is within us
    We’ll be silenced
    Tomorrow we’re gonna be stardust
    No more ego
    Nothing to control us
    Painless freedom
    Tomorrow we’re gonna be stardust

    It’s pulling me apart a little piece by piece
    Paradox and loss are knocking me off my feet
    And there’s a flood that’s coming up to my bed
    It’s a lose-lose world and I can’t stomach it

    I wanna turn it all around in a volte-face
    Eternally recurring, oh yeah put me in a trance
    And there’s a flood that’s coming up to my bed
    Love’s out there and I can’t stomach it

    How do I even learn to play the human way?
    Smiles without a heart, weird mechanical mistakes

    ^ again “the human way” puts him at a distance. But here there’s even echoes of “playing” a human role, as if the body was a puppet (mechanical).

    Beauty, violence
    War is within us

    ^ here we see generalities once again, the choice to speak about humans in general.

    We’ll be silenced
    Tomorrow we’re gonna be stardust

    ^ and here we get to a very similar sentiment to Marina’s “Immortal”, the fact that we’re all going to vanish back into stardust.

    Lyrics:

    Spoiler:

    I know I’ll never feel the same
    I know I may never accept the change but I want
    Happiness

    I’m staring blank at my screen
    Waiting for a sign, waiting for a smile to come to me
    Happiness

    Every day the news is death
    You power drunk fuckers are filling my head with despair
    Not happiness

    Liars

    Maybe I became too clean
    Maybe the drugs are the only way to be free
    Happiness

    No breaking the anxiety
    The man that I tried to but could never be faded out
    With happiness

    Everday hypocrisy
    I see the zombies walking down the street and it kills me
    Their happiness

    Liars

    Chris Corner also has a specific flavor of expression that focuses on the “non-real-ness” of people. His songs deal a lot with how people wear masks and are frauds. This might emerge in part with the help of Ti’s influence if Ti/Fe is focusing on how everyone’s expressions are contingent in externalities.

    Everday hypocrisy
    I see the zombies walking down the street and it kills me
    Their happiness

    ^ …this is of course influenced also by his own emotional turmoil and struggles to accept love and happiness. But his framing of his problem views people who have happiness as non-real, perhaps as a projection of his sensations – so that the struggle for it is seen as universal.

    Auburn
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Christina Perri

    Lyrics

    Spoiler:

    I can hold my breath
    I can bite my tongue
    I can stay awake for days
    If that’s what you want
    Be your number one
    I can fake a smile
    I can force a laugh
    I can dance and play the part
    If that’s what you ask
    Give you all I am
    I can do it
    I can do it
    I can do it
    But I’m only human
    And I bleed when I fall down
    I’m only human
    And I crash and I break down
    Your words in my head, knives in my heart
    You build me up and then I fall apart
    ‘Cause I’m only human, yeah
    I can turn it on
    Be a good machine
    I can hold the weight of worlds
    If that’s what you need
    Be your everything
    I can do it
    I can do it
    I’ll get through it
    But I’m only human
    And I bleed when I fall down
    I’m only human
    And I crash and I break down
    Your words in my head, knives in my heart
    You build me up and then I fall apart
    ‘Cause I’m only human, yeah
    I’m only human
    I’m only human
    Just a little human
    I can take so much
    Until I’ve had enough
    ‘Cause I’m only human
    And I bleed when I fall down
    I’m only human
    And I crash and I break down
    Your words in my head, knives in my heart
    You build me up and then I fall apart
    ‘Cause I’m only human, yeah

    I’ve used this song before to give an example of adaptive Fe. But it’s also relevant here to our discussion.

    I can hold my breath
    I can bite my tongue
    I can stay awake for days
    If that’s what you want
    Be your number one
    I can fake a smile
    I can force a laugh
    I can dance and play the part
    If that’s what you ask

    ^ This part echoes some of the self-puppeteering rhetoric that was used by Chris Corner above. All people can accomodate to others, and seelie Fi users also accomodate, but the focus here is on how the situation is framed. Christina’s language reveals a view of herself as a doll that can be wound up, like a robot. This is depicted in the video itself. This metaphor is very telling of the abiotic way Ti treats matters and, again, how it has to embed biotic legitimacy from the third-person angle.

    But I’m only human
    And I bleed when I fall down
    I’m only human
    And I crash and I break down

    ^ And of course… the third-person “human” appears here too.

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