Reply To: Updated Definitions of F

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I like the idea of getting beyond associating F with emotionality, which does not seem valid, and the biotic/abiotic thesis is interesting. The dimension thinking-feeling seems to have been a headache from the beginning, I have always wondered why Jung choosed the word if he did not believe F was about feelings. The effect have been that the jungians treat it as being about feelings, even though they point out it isn't.   Jung said that feeling types are about "values",  I wonder if he would have liked the word biotic instead of feeling.
I think that one can shift between biotic/abiotic viewpoints  during life. And I also think that the viewpoint a person take does not necessarily reflect the real a priori assumption.
I tended to be essentialist in my younger years, and felt it as almost sinful not to regard a person as having/being a soul. But maybe I was just influenced in that direction from very early, its hard to tell. Now I can tend towards not believing in agency at all (NB. that living beings might not have agency does not mean that their wellbeing is less important), maybe it comes from experiences in deep meditations, but then again my former essentialist viewpoints also seemed to come from meditative experiences where a sort of I-essense was felt which I believed could never die (and the idea that it could was very frightening) (I just notice how I use the word "it", but again, it doesn't have to be because of type but because I spend time every day looking at the sense of self as an object).
But when it comes to all I am agnostic about self/agency. The old saying "First there is a mountain, then there is no mountain, then there is" suggest that both can be true and that it is about states and not type.
Does biotic/abiotic necessarily have to do with will/agency?  This is not the only way that living organisms are distinct from non-living. Although an animal reacts only from instincts it can feel pain and probably also can have lots of other experiences and for me this is what is the important distinction between a living being and a thing - not so much if it has a will or not.