Reply To: Se & Pleasure?

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@faerie
If I had to theorize about the functions I would say that Ne has its own kind of volition too. I personally am not a fan of the idea of removing 'volition' from an extroverted function. I loved @teatime 's idea of 'hunter-gatherer' for Pe, and Se leaning more toward the hunter and Ne the gatherer (though it's not 1-1).
Pe leads interact with the environment. We are not introverts. We don't just sit and passively take it in.  Right now the descriptions are very much about an internal experience of an environment that we're passively taking in, which is why they feel infantalizing and stripping us of any will. The introverts are given all this deep interesting stuff, the Je descriptions are given willpower and vision - but Pe is left with 'being addicted to random stimulus, helplessly.'  Yet this is not the case. Pe leads appear very interactive and willful.
Having a sense of long-term purpose is not type related. I know plenty of Je leads who don't, for instance.  But the way we interact with the world moment to moment IS type related,  and Pe leads interact with it.  They don't just passively sit back and take in whatever stimulus comes, and get addicted because they're bored.
If Je leads can have an internal sense of vision or purpose, then so can we.
Also, you should reread my post because I edited it. I had already taken out the part about volition since it wasn't worded well.  And I think my explanation of what I suspect Ne/Si users MAY be feeling (based on the comments) might make more sense. I could be wrong of course, about what you guys are feeling or where the assumption is going wrong, but that's just how it seems to me- that to Si users, the experience of sensation is internal, so they interpret ours being the same way.