Reply To: Pe Descriptions. Should we focus on Hunter-Gatherer, Synchronicity, Channeling?

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Ok, let me sum up my more important points just to get organized, since I made a few more.

• Heightened Focus: The idea that Se users can automatically ‘copy’ movements by breaking down the components, is treating it more as a Ji function. It also suggests a kind of ‘magic’ in Se users copying movements, which is not necessarily the case. The real reason is….
• Vitality and Volition: This is key for Se people – as is Flow and Aesthetic. Your description is great for these; but what is left out is how these components lead a Se person to put effort toward mastering something or chasing skills rather than just thrills. Skills is a bigger challenge, which is a bigger turn-on! 🙂
• If the only “hobbies” listed for Se are ‘drag racing and daring’ then you are basically limiting their ‘skill set’ to a list of addictions. Temporary adrenaline boosts. On top of that, suggesting that they pick up these things magically in the first section, takes away from the tremendous mastery and will that goes into performing daring feats. To be clear, I have no problem with drag racing, sports and daring feats being used as examples -- examples of what? -- mastery & skills, as well as 'addictions.'
• Addiction: With this in mind, the addiction section is spot on; but needs to be put in perspective. Right now, the addiction section is really no different from the “vitality and flow” sections. If you include more emphasis on a need for mastery & skills in the earlier sections, then you can see how a focused Se user might manifest through mastery of skills (or other ‘hunts’) that put them ‘in the flow,’ whereas those who lose sight of these willful pursuits, become addicts.
• Ergonomics/Aesthetics: I was not suggesting taking out 'fashion' or 'trends.' Just discussing what it really stems from, which isn't "trends" or "money" but rather, a need to make an impact, an impression. A need to flaunt (and master!) one's refined aesthetic. There is a lot of writing by many authors, beginning with Jung, but not ending with him; about how Se leads need to make an impression & impact, and how they master and refine their look. Clothes & other aesthetics, like cars, are great examples of this; but again, need to be put in context with why. The "why" is not because something is trendy. Se users see themselves as autonomous masters of their own will, apart from social norms; which is why they are tricksters.  So... the "why" behind it is what I'm addressing.

 
Stuff that's missing

• Realism. How Se is used for realistic perception and can lead to insights about the real world which are unmatched by any other type in "is-what-it-is"ness.  Things like sense of direction, knowing where to find things, knowing what people are really about by just looking at them. Se people are often good readers of character (in person especially). This is part of the trickster appeal.
• Seeing trends in reality. Ni axis stuff which is present in all Se users.  Knowing what is BEHIND reality.  Knowing what will happen next, based on seeing the pattern in real events that have already occurred. (This also plays into skills in sports. You have to know what the other person will do next.)
• Mastery.  This was discussed already.
• Synchronicity, channeling.  This is covered somewhat in 'flow.' I will articulate this in a bit.
• Autonomy. "No one can tell me what to do." I think you touch on this in the trickster sections, though I have wondered before if it needs more emphasis. I am going to cover these too. It helps me to write out a long thing and then boil it down to shorter notes. Sorry if annoying 🙁