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I just wanted to share a post I made in a discord server that is not associated with CT, and while it may not perfectly fit what others imagine when they come to this topic, I hope it will generate some conversation nonetheless. For some context, it was written as response to a friend of mine who is frequently experiencing tense and unpleasant interactions with her boyfriend's step mother. Without further ado, here's a copy+paste of my original message:
Just to open this up at the get-go, the alcohol and coffee mix I was chugging has its grip in deep, and I am about to just let myself go. Prepare for THE TEXT WALL.
In these sorts of situations, the ones where we feel as if we are being treated unfairly by others and deserve better treatment, the first thing I notice is that our typical response is to shut down. By shutting down I mean that we refuse to give our "adversary" the same grace and mercy we give ourselves. We also begin to refuse to accept that the other person is just as nuanced and complex as we ourselves are.
That's not to say that we should excuse all of that other person's negative behavior, for we certainly should not do that; however, the problem is that genuine love for our fellow man is reduced to nothing when we take this adversarial and defensive posture.
We all ought to be self-aware enough to realize that we are beyond capable of being a real shit in someone else's life, yet we are able to so easily forgive ourselves and justify our behavior because "I'm going through a lot" or "They treated me poorly, and I needed to react this way." Or some other variation of those thoughts are typically how we learn to live with our own damaging behaviors.
BUT the moment someone else begins to be a shit from our perspective, we find all the reason in the world to condemn them.
The response is completely natural, and it can be exceptionally effective at removing the negative effects of said shit from your life; however, as I said above, this approach eliminates our inclination towards loving actions and responses. I'll just say it: removing love from ourselves is key to truly and completely destroying ourselves. Love is not on a spectrum. There is no middle ground. We are the kind of creatures that love or hate. We can do both imperfectly, which is what creates the perceived middle ground, but we are either loving others or hating others in some capacity. When we remove our ability to love another person, we begin to hate them.
I think the noblest path is the same one that leads towards the highest level of human development and completion, and that is love.
By that same merit, love is the most difficult path to take in nearly every situation; however, it is the most rewarding for all parties. Finding a way to deny our own sense of being owed some special treatment and then actively deciding that everyone around us deserves special treatment from us is the pinnacle of love. That is why I would say in a situation like this the best thing you, or anyone, could do is find a way to radically humanize this woman. Realize that she is a nuanced creature, just as much so as you are, and take every opportunity to understand her, show respect, and take her seriously by looking within for where you may be in need of some transformation to overcome the tension.
Again, that's not saying "bend over and take whatever this lady gives." What I am saying is that there exists a reasonable level of sacrifice, an acceptable level of self-denial and inconvenience we can patiently take on in order to begin working through the tension in this relationship. That takes a lot of time, and it takes a lot of honesty, both towards the other person and ourselves. There will be moments of direct confrontation, but not fueled by some desire to conform them to our will, to force them to stop inconveniencing us. It should be fueled by the earnest desire to see that person be transformed into the best version of themselves that they can become.
What I outlined, I would argue, is the path towards mutual transmutation into the highest form of man, and it ought to be encouraged in all of our interactions.
"That's not to say that we should excuse all of that other person's negative behavior, for we certainly should not do that; however, the problem is that genuine love for our fellow man is reduced to nothing when we take this adversarial and defensive posture."
I noticed that you causaly connect in a qualitatively sense what you define as "genuine love" to a posture that is interpreted from the perspective of the judgements that you assign to it. So, I have some questions for you:
I have many other questions about your entire text, but for now let's stick with these.
What do you mean by "genuine love" ?
Genuine love is a particular orientation or disposition towards another person, an intention to seek out and facilitate want what is best for them.
What are the reasons for the assignilation of those judgements to that posture?
I'm not completely certain what you are asking on this point, and I don't want to run off in an unhelpful direction. So I hope that we can come back around to this question with a different/more specific phrasing.
What are the consequences of having my "genuine love" reduced to nothing?
To exist without genuine love for those around you is to become a demon, to completely rebel against the True, Good, and Beautiful. That may not bother a lot of people, and there is increasing evidence that there is a growing group of people who are not bothered; however, I think we could easily gesture to any perceived evil in our world and find that a lack of genuine love for others is at the heart of the problem.
Think of the story of the Garden of Eden and the fall from grace. It all started with one person, the serpent/Satan, not seeking the best for Adam and Eve. It's from that Prime Hatred that we see perfection crack and crumble as we are locked away from it. We see it echoed over and over again throughout the Genesis narrative: Cain and Abel, Jacob and Esau, Sodom and Gomorrah, etc.
From there I could easily talk about the curative nature of Love, but I will save that for later. I find that sometimes I have to be sparing with my Judeo/Christian ways in order to keep a dialogue going 😉
What are the advantages of not having my "genuine love" reduced to nothing?
To list any advantages at all we would have to speak amorally, not necessarily in a pragmatic sense.... I'm sure many would see it as pragmatic; however, I would say those individuals lack perspective and scope. The "advantages" are all negative from my perspective, but I suppose I could list the effects we would find enjoyable. As a quick list:
Why do you measure "genuine love" through a binary system?
I think a fair amount of things in our world are essentially binary, but our lived experiences often suggest a great deal of gray space between the back and white. I would say this comes from the imperfection of our senses and the brokenness of the human experience; however, for the topic at hand I would say it is important for us to be brutally honest when it comes to something so important. There is hate, and there is love. To keep ourselves focused on something in the middle is to take our eyes off of completion and perfection, which will continue to prove itself our downfall. I certainly don't live up to the ideal I laid out, but I know that when I behave as if I can go without loving or hating, as if there is some middle-ground, I find myself complicit as I watch people get destroyed, and what is that if not hate? It is through our imperfections that we can find the gray space in reality, but imperfection doesn't affect the nature of the realm of ideals.
Unfortanely there are a lot of people out there that are not interested in practicing genuine love. Those people will eventualy hurt other individuals and take advantage out of them. With this I'm not saying that one should necessarily retaliate back in the same way as them, however I think that one have to place boundaries in relation to those individuals.
Honestly I admire the essence of your concept and in my opinion it is honorable, but society as a whole is made out of individuals with different characteristics and I do not think that it is possible to apply genuine love all the time. So, this leads me to think that when trying to live through that concept one can incorporate a more emotional mature attitude towards others, however it is good to keep in mind that it will not be a formula that will work all the time regarding the interaction with another human being, and the fact that it is beneficial for you as a whole doesn't mean that there will be times where it will not be the opposite of that.
What are the reasons for the assignilation of those judgements to that posture?
I wanted to know the reasons of you judging that posture as adversial and defensive. More specifically the reason of using "adversial" and "defensive" to judge it.
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