Bolsonaro - Cognitive Typology

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August 24, 2019 at 9:01 pm #14646
sekundaer
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- Type: TiNe
- Development: l-l-
- Attitude: Adaptive
Since he is very topical, I wanted to check him out and see of the similarities with Trump in his views and manners would be shown in similar vultology (I seem to be a bit fixated on TeNi (and Trump), probably because its so different from myself). When looking at him standing beside Trump he looks much more intertial and withdrawn. But looking deeper into the vultology they seem to be same quadrant and even maybe same type, I need some help with this as for me it could be both TeNi and NiTe, since he has a many Te.
I used an interview done with him by Ellen Page. He is speaking his native language so have no idea of psychological signals, and I could not find translated versions of the interview, but I used this interview because of the interesting combination of these two, and one knows his answers from Ellen Page's verbal reactions. https://youtu.be/3pautVX23lY?t=38
Its late and I dont have time for making GIFs, so I just show some still pictures of the signals I think I found.

Obviously Gamma, right? 😉

Besides raised outer edges, there is here an intense Ni scowl and also I find him to have taut eye area.

A bit more obvious Ni scowl together with an Ni Far away zone out

And here a very obvious far away zone out

This looks to me as a snarling smile and a taut square

This was the best example I could find of asymmetrical mouth in this video, I dont know how much of it there has to be to count.

This is from a different interview where it is mentioned that many people think he is reminding them of Donald Trump. There can be seen a contraction in his right cheek and although it is not an expression of contempt I wonder if it still can count as Fi-7....
I said that I found a lot of Te but for them I would have needed GIFs, but you can take a look at 1:55, 2:21 and 3:29-3:34.
August 24, 2019 at 10:04 pm #14648
Celeste
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- Type: NeFi
- Development: lll-
- Attitude: Unseelie
Hi! I speak Portuguese so I decided to translate what he said (since you mentioned that the video doesn't provide English subtitles).
PS: Phrases that contain brackets are just some of my notes for further clarification.
"I'm often described as one of Brazil's biggest homophobe but that's not true since my fight has always been against the right distribution of school material for the general public that's at least 6 years of age. That's it"
"I think the majority part of gays is related to behavior. When I was young, speaking in statistical terms, there were only a few of them. With the pass of time, with the liberations, drugs, women also working, the number of homosexuals increased. I also like to say that when a child starts to hang out with specific people with specific behaviors, they're going to also have that behavior. They're -the child- going to think it's normal."
"When a child is violent, young, by putting them on the right path it will make them stop being violent. So why wouldn't you do the same with the opposite thing? If you stimulate a kid and you show them that it's normal and what's not normal, the kid is going to practice that. [apply that to their daily life, what's right and wrong]"
[Now he's referring to Ellen] "I think you try to scape, pardon me, from normality. We should at least have a sense of direction in this conversation. You're almost bordering, with all the due respect, absurdism. Since considering you and your partner, don't give birth to children, but in the case that you were to give birth then that would depend on something that is given by us, heterosexual men."
"I'm not going to change or fight and try to transform you into a heterosexual nor am I gonna let you transform me into a homosexual. Let's just live our lives."
August 25, 2019 at 10:01 am #14656
Bera
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- Type: SeFi
- Development: ll--
- Attitude: Seelie
OMG, he looks very similar to my CEO. 🙂

@Celeste - you didn't translate everything, he also said "you are cute (simpatica?)". :))
I can't believe he actually accuses NGOs of starting the Amazon fires. Look :

Did I accuse NGOs directly?? I just said I SUSPECTED them.

I would find it hilarious if I didn't find it outrageous. Actually it's both, which is indeed similar to Trump's style.
If he indeed is Te lead (which I think is likely from the videos) - do you guys realize how much it would have helped Earth for him to develop his Fi?
But we should get him typed. I will ask for a typing on Patreon. He seems TeNi to me too but I could be wrong.
Watch him here :

I will try to make gifs. 🙂

I don't think an Fe user could have such a wobbly mouth. And I think it's clear he is conductor, right?
And this for some brow action :

I do this freaking thing too. One brow raised paired with ..excessive contempt? Correct me if I am wrong, I can very well be. See, I have no idea how this is off beat? I think I need off beat to be better explained because to me that's pretty on beat.
But...he must be Te - Fi because of the mouth, God :

Did he learn some Fe-ish hand movements from some Fe mentor? 🙂 Because at least some of what he does seem to me similar to on-beat emphasis. Still some of his head and mouth and hand movements are not coordinated, he just does it right sometimes. It would be great if someone could clarify on-beat vs. off-beat a bit.
Look, here he allows himself to move :

Ok, here we go, chopping :

But I think he studied his moves. He is controlling them. Do you guys think the same? Trying to convey warmth because it's something that would help his position ?
I'm curious how the gifs will appear, I hope I will not have to repost them all.:))
Oh, @Auburn - it would be wonderful if we could have a preview function - to be able to preview the posts before posting them. It just occurred to me.
Later edit : guys, how do I post gifs in a way in which they can be directly seen?
Edited again after reading Auburn's post below - OMG, it worked !
August 25, 2019 at 2:10 pm #14672
Juan E. Sandoval
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- Type: TiNe
- Development: l--l
- Attitude: Adaptive
@bera - for posting GIFs: https://cognitivetype.com/forums/topic/forum-manual-2/#post-11948
You pretty much got it, but selected the wrong import link. It's the one titled "GIF Link"
As for the preview function - you can hit the "Visual" tab on the top-right corner of the message composition box and it shows the WYSIWYG editor:

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As for Bolsonaro, I also agree 100% on him being TeNi.
August 25, 2019 at 4:56 pm #14675
Bera
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- Type: SeFi
- Development: ll--
- Attitude: Seelie
Thank you !
I should have read that post from the start ! But now I know how to post GIFs ! 🙂 This is so exciting ! Gotta produce more of them ! 🙂
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