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Trump same type as L. Ron Hubbard?

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  • #11066
    sekundaer
    Participant
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    I have often thought that Trump is rather similar to L. Ron Hubbard in so many ways (the article I link to further down mentions most of these similarities) and  I therefore tried to google ' Trump Ron Hubbard' . This picture came up, have a look:

    For a millisecond I thought WAU, but of course this is a joke (smiley...how to make a smiley in this forum???)
     
     
    Then I kept looking and found another picture, that is a true comparison of the two:

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-trump-is-the-l-ron-hubbard-of-politics
     
    In the picture one see very similar tension around the mouth (Trump has lowered his eyebrow in the moment the picture was taken, which is atypical for him)
    I went on to see if I could find an interview with Hubbard.  I found one, but as it is rather blurry I also found one where he does a presentation.  Not so revealing but much better video quality.
    (I didnt know how to post clips from youtube videos, so I searched and found something called Vibby.  If there is better way to do this, please let me know)
    Here is a link to the clips I have made of what I found to be vultology signals of L.Ron Hubbard:
    <span style="font-size: 24pt;">https://vib.by/v/7yo8MhbBw</span>      
     
    (you can click on the little arrow under each of the 10 clips at the right side of the page to see that particular clip. Makes it easier to repeat the same clip or shift between them)
    As you can see I have commented what signals I think I see in each clip and I would be very happy to get feedback from any of you.
    I  guess that he actually was a  TeNi - as Trump - I hope this is right as this would be so interesting!
    If I look trough the whole video (I guess it is possible for you to watch the  videos in their full length... I dont know how it will show up on your screen...), I find that he shows every single Te signal besides Te-10.  But it confuses me that there also is a lot of Fe  'On beat emphasis'  but  not Te-Plateau emphasis,  isnt that right?
    I can see at least 5 Ni-signals (Ni-1,2,4,6,7), I am unsure if there are also more, grounded inertia maybe?  Also I see now that clip no.2 seems to end at a Ni-zone out?
    Then there is also a lot of what I see as Fi-signals, of which I have included some clips.  His mouth does certainly make strange movements!  And asymmetrical ones.  And I also think there is resting tension.  It seems to me to be what CT calls unseelie energy?  ( in the clips with the hat on he seems very phony, tries to appear innocent/a phony seelieness I guess one could say).
    If I am right about this, he shows at least 4 Fi-signals and some of them very strong.  But is this enough to make him a I--I?  (I dont see very much of the Ji 1-5 signals...).
     
    The last clips (clip no. 8-10) is signals that do not belong in the Gamma Quadrant.
    As mentioned I think there is also some strong Fe-signals that are rather consistent, Fe-1 and Fe-3. In clip 8 and 9 you can see what I mean. I am unsure about his head shakes and nods, are they 'warm'  now and then?
    In clip 10 he does some Ti- 'delicate pinching, otherwise I dont think I noticed any Ti-signals.
    Se signals I am very unsure about, I can see some Pointed Eye-toggling, but otherwise I have no idea.
    From what I get he shows all 5 Je-signals and a few of the 5 Pi-signals.
    I look forward to hear what you say!
     

    #11138
    Tea
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Seelie

    I haven't seen an interview of him, but by the looks, I'd guess beta for Hubbard. He kind of reminds me of Putin, and he fits the bill of Ni + Fe cult leader.

    #11186
    sekundaer
    Participant
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Hi Tea.   In the middle of my post there is a link.  Click on it and you will see extracts of videos with Hubbard.
    (I tried to highlight the link in different ways, but some html codes now is shown... I dont know why, but the link is still working.  If anybody knows how to fix this, please let me know )

    #11188
    Tea
    Participant
    • Type: NeFi
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Okay, I was able to watch it now. I love how you detailed the signals, and I do see the TeFi mouth, constrained toward the center of the face. It's very different than the pics I've seen where he's engaging his zygomaticus majors.

    #11750
    Rua
    Moderator
    • Type: NeTi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Your video breakdown was excellent, and I do believe you're correct in typing L. Ron Hubbard as TeNi. (Tangent: I wonder if you've seen The Master by Paul Thomas Anderson and starring Philip Seymour Hoffman as a character very much modeled on Hubbard's life?) I think your observations of the Fe on-beat emphasis are very important, though I don't think those hand gestures actually indicate that Hubbard is an Fe user, it is important not to ignore them, and I know Auburn has been working through the distinctions between them... in the Soft Readings thread I believe it's in. Of course I would love to see the fullest distinction of Fe-Te possible in this regard (though lately I find myself much more confident in distinguishing the J-axes from each other than I am with the P-axes). What I think I have noticed is that Te inevitably betrays itself in its unnecessary headshakes/ handshakes that eventually break an on-beat pattern, and Fe always betrays itself in its measured, wave-like articulations that come through even when it's head shaking or moving hands not quite-in-sync with the verbalizations that accompany them.
    And iirc in distinguishing Ti-pinching the key is to look at the natural ease with which the wrist can rest (Fi-Te users as far as I have seen never really relax their wrist in the marionette position for more than a few moments, whereas Ti-Fe users will hold it there comfortably for extended lengths of time).
    Edit: Just watched the clip again of the Ti-pinching (which was easy to do thanks to your work!), and yes his wrist is very stiff in that sequence, for me it would be extremely unlikely that a Ti-user's wrist would remain at that level of rigidity for that length of time.

    #11756
    sekundaer
    Participant
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Thanks, Rondo!
    Yes, I have seen 'The Master', its a masterpiece.  From the part of his life before he became really weird.
    Its interesting what you say about distinguishing Fe from Te.  'Wave-like' as more important that being syncronized with the words.   Wave-like is a good metaphor for the swelling-neutralization.  Its good to know which of the signals have priority,  I have tended to think Fe as soon as I see on-beat articulation, if the person is not too speedy and snippy.
    Do you think that the  Fi-signals makes him a I--I subtype?  (And Trump a I--- ?)
     
     
     

    #11757
    Rua
    Moderator
    • Type: NeTi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    After watching some more of one of the same sources you used in your video (where he's on his ship with his captain's hat), I am seeing Hubbard as TeNi II-- as the most likely development, as I see a greater frequency and duration of Ni use as opposed to Se or Fi (which looks like it's developing more than Se). I have not looked into Trump's type, I think Auburn has already done so, but I will confess it was difficult even to watch another 10-12 minutes of Hubbard, and the same would apply for Trump; I find both men to be such consummate liars that trying to objectively analyze them in CT is inevitably crept up on by a mounting sense of disgust at the confluence of their words and actions; what I see are individuals with deeply twisted morals that love nothing more than acting out those twisted psyches on the largest stage possible, willing to brush aside any harm their grandstanding causes others in a desperate searching for an undying adulation they can never truly find.

    #11805
    Juan E. Sandoval
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Yes, Donald Trump and L. Ron Hubbard are twin-shades. Essentially reincarnations of the same human equation.
    TeNi ll-- Unseelie Male ...but I think it's even more specific than that. It's uncanny when this happens. Like twin strangers.

    #11814
    sekundaer
    Participant
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l-l-
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Oh, yes, of course II--, I did see lot of Ni/Pi, but forgot that this makes him having developed Ni and not just having auxiliary Ni.  Also forgot that Ji signals per se is needed for him to be I--I, not just Fi.
    Wau, its really interesting for me that they are exactly same type, since I have seen them as similar since Trump ran for president. Adds to my confidence in CT.
    Great description of their character, Rondo, and thanks for enduring the pain of watching 😉
     

    #11818
    Juan E. Sandoval
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    Yes. I posted this in the NiTe thread, but it's best addressed here:

    Donald Trump is indeed also TeNi ll--, and both have a similar use of Ni hypnotism for the sake of attaining Te meritocracy goals. (Te>Ni). This leads to a kind of economic opportunism that makes use of Ni's abilities while not firmly believing in any esoteric doctrine at heart. That is not the case with Ni-leads like NiFe Ekhart Tolle or NiFe Rajneesh who wholeheartedly live/breathe their personal mythology. Trump and Hubbard are con-men, and know how to leverage the persuasion and confidence inherent in Ni's composure to their Je aims.

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