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Evidence of Seelie to Unseelie Transformation

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  • #31109
    Juan E. Sandoval
    Keymaster
    • Type: TiNe
    • Development: l--l
    • Attitude: Adaptive

    We see a young Gamma Vivien Leigh here, in seelie form:

    She has a seelie, whispery, sprite-like voice and an unbridled demeanor.

    And here we see an older Vivien Leigh, in unseelie form:

    We now hear a much more nasally pinched voice, and a much more stern facial expression, and snappy head shakes.

    This shows the fluidity of emotional attitude, which can change throughout one's life. I just felt this was a great example of it in action, and worth documenting.

    #31116
    unknown
    Participant
    • Type: Unknown
    • Development:
    • Attitude: Unknown

    This shows the fluidity of emotional attitude, which can change throughout one's life.

    I wonder does hormones lvl in woman's body that is changing on monthly basis have influence on that aspect.

    #31134
    Alice
    Participant
    • Type: FiSe
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    Hi Peter! I can possibly provide some insight here - I have a fairly static hormonal balance, as all of my hormonal intake is artificial (I am a trans woman who takes hormonal medication every day). I can say with some confidence that hormonal changes don't really have much of an effect on anything beyond emotional perception and physiological changes (usually discomfort). Sometimes I'll accidentally miss a day or two of meds, and I can be either extra sensitive or far less sensitive the next day or so as a result (or just absolutely regular). Sometimes I'll have stomach issues as well, but I don't think my basic mode of cognitively processing information changes at all.

    I CAN say though, with some confidence, that going from having testosterone as my main hormonal neurotransmitter to estrogen and progesterone certainly DID effect my cognition. I remember feeling like my very thought structures were changing, like the architecture of my mind was being slightly rearranged. Emotions became far easier to access, and far harder to suppress or ignore at first. Not sure if that helps, but it's an interesting side-note.

    I also for a little while tinkered with creating a homonal cycle for myself, where I mapped out dosages for different hormones for each day to create a typical cycle for myself that lasted about 28 days. I can tell you that emotionally things certainly felt a bit different along the cycle, and I also felt a good deal of physical discomfort when my hormonal levels suddenly dipped at the end of the cycle, but I don't think it translated to my base vultology.

    Also, this may seem obvious, but I've lived with other women all my life and I can also tell you that it isn't typically obvious where any given person is at in their hormonal cycle by just talking to them. When somebody menstruates, their general levels of all hormones are low - this sudden change in levels can make somebody have headaches, aches and pains, and gastrointestinal issues for about a week until their levels begin to rise again. While this can make somebody uncomfortable and in general feel pretty awful, I don't believe it would change anybody's innate vultology or emotional attitude. Obviously this would depend on the individual however! I personally find that seelie-ness and unseelie-ness change depending on situation throughout my day. If I feel I can be vulnerable with the people around me, I will typically be emotionally unguarded, and vice versa. I've honestly kind of trained myself to switch between them at will if I need to or want to, though by default I trend toward guardedness and unseelie-ness.

    I hope this helps and provides some insight!

    #31137
    unknown
    Participant
    • Type: Unknown
    • Development:
    • Attitude: Unknown

    @Alice

    Thank you for sharing.

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 5 months ago by unknown.
    #31221
    Elsie
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Unseelie


    get outta my bawx

    #31222
    fayest42
    Participant
    • Type: FiNe
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    @elsie Wow, this is hilarious and kind of amazing. It's in some ways intuitively obvious - the low, loud voice indicates some level of aggression that makes you think that if you don't obey, the person might hurt you. Whereas the soft high voice seems to communicate that there won't be any repercussions for disobeying. But it's amazing to see it demonstrated so clearly. I've been feeling a bit down about my unseelieness today, so it's nice to be reminded that it has some advantages I just need to practice toning it down with my kids sometimes

    #31225
    Elsie
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    @fayest42 shortest video i could find to get the point across.
    i go around teaching ppl how to speak from their diaphragm for a living (jk lol). it's amazing how some ppl just puff nothing out. just stand straight chest out speak jeezus.
    dont feel down just be a strong force, i think kiddos need that, especially now with recent/current events. they will appreciate when older + also know how to recognise strength in themselfs. unseelie=is not mean.

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    also to see, as i believe that sometimes they are trying to describe/locate similar things to CT , Masculine and Feminine Sensory  - energies

    #31226
    SIerra Rose
    Participant
    • Type: FiNe
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Seelie

    This was funny. I might just go around commanding people to "get outta ma bawx!" from now on 😀

    I was a very thin-skinned, sensitive, seelie kid (aka kinda wimpy) and I distinctly remember one lesson from gymnastics. I didn't have enough force to do this kick up maneuver to propel my body around the bar. Or, I didn't think that I did. My coach gave me a little pep talk, basically coaching me on how to tap into some inner aggressive energy. I understood what she meant, took it to heart, and hurled my body onto that bar. Never had a problem with it again.

    The seelies of the world need to tap into that inner aggression at times. Some situations just warrant it. I think that in much the same way, unseelies can and should tap into their inner softer, more vulnerable side... when the situation warrants it.

     

     

    #31227
    fayest42
    Participant
    • Type: FiNe
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    Interestingly, I'm not sure that being unseelie translates to being thick-skinned, or at least it doesn't for me. I was always a thin-skinned sensitive kid, and I still am as an adult. I know the whole seelie vs unseelie thing is a spectrum though, and I seem to recall from my report that I'm not super far over on the unseelie side, so maybe that's why I still have my sensitivity. Similarly, I have a really hard time speaking loudly. When I was a kid, I did theater, and I was *constantly* being told to speak up. As an adult, I worked for a while as a standardized patient where I was being videotaped doing practice interactions with students in med school, and again, I was constantly being told I needed to be louder because they couldn't hear me on the videotape.

    In regard to the thing about how unseelie ≠ being mean, I don't typically think of myself as a mean person, but it was being mean that was a problem for me today with my kids. Or at least, acting annoyed with them and arguing instead of being more understanding and patient. I do agree that there are situations where unseelieness is an advantage. But the pattern I can sometimes get into of acting annoyed with my kid doesn't seem to have any advantages. Maybe trying to be more seelie isn't necessarily the answer to that problem though. Or at least not the only answer.

    #31228
    SIerra Rose
    Participant
    • Type: FiNe
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Seelie

    Fay, I definitely understand. I don't know if you watched my latest typing video, but I mentioned being very irritable. My husband and son agreed. Fi is a judging function. Even as a seelie Fi user, I have often been very harsh and moralistic. It's one thing I've really had to work on. Being harsh, impatient, rigid, having unrealistic expectations, etc.

    #31229
    fayest42
    Participant
    • Type: FiNe
    • Development: ll--
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    @sierrarose You're right, thanks for this reminder. I think I also tend to get irritable with my kids because they are around so often and asking for my attention so often. As an FiNe, I'm an introverted person whose default state is basically being in my own head. Extraverting takes an energetic toll. So having what sometimes feels like constant interruptions of my internal focus can be difficult to cope with.

    • This reply was modified 4 years, 4 months ago by fayest42.
    #31231
    Elsie
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: ll-l
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    @sierrarose ... when the situation warrants it.
    ah gymnastics. that time where throwing greek discuses at ppl became banned and then dodgeball became banned and then javelins became banned until finally all there was left to do was wrestle ppl outta chalk circles. then chalk banned
    I have often been very harsh and moralistic. It's one thing I've really had to work on. Being harsh, impatient, rigid, having unrealistic expectations, etc.
    this sound 6/1 in enneagram especially if u feel like i gotta work on it. i got into enneagram through cognitivetype, physiognomy and similar leans-towards. its like playing bingo.
    do u wanna drum-up some ideas while we're here? some ideas of what warrants. imho one can still act "unseelie" + tap at the same time: re comments below.
    silent-readers get ur butts in here too.


    @fayest42
    I have a really hard time speaking loudly
    i have practiced whispering but it dont work. this could literally be a thing that correlate. the entire whispering-thing is physically laborious. me ready to hiss now at the thought of whispering. (@auburn moar data xp.)
    ima thinkin im balanced too in vultology + Pe levity prolly, and of all things these couple years [lockdowns] got me to lighten up so now i just haha-shark.
    Or at least not the only answer.
    yea i think consistency is the answer. u can always tell when some1 let them get-away with stuff + u can know when some1 have no reinforcement of their words (it is evident).

    #31248
    Lucas
    Participant
    • Type: SeFi
    • Development: l---
    • Attitude: Unseelie

    About Seelie --> Unseelie transformation. Maybe it's an already known correlation, however, my supposition is that this transformation could easily be influenced by life experiences and, at a larger scale,  by social transformations.

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