I can't follow your reasoning. You make these assumptions in your post: you seem to equate detachment with intuition (introversion would like a word with that), you equate external with sensation (extroversion????), you equate internal with feeling (Fe doesn't exist?).

Is this from the WSS model? Because it's not Socionics.

I just want to throw in some thoughts about whether the controversy around Jordan Peterson matters. Does it matter in terms of whether some particular thing he says is true? No, of course not. Does it matter in terms of deciding whether or not to present CT as having a connection to Jordan Peterson? Yes, potentially. I imagine Auburn…

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You are right: one instance does not prove a pattern of gaslighting. That video especially doesn't show any party in a good light. Bad setting, worse tension. That wasn't a debate, that was a (verbal) fight.

I am especially curious to hear from @cedar about the gaslighting that, she said, repeatedly happened in all those interviews…Read more

Where in the interviews is the gaslighting? Please be specific. You posted more than 3 hours of non-specific footage. Please show us the evidence. Timestamps would be helpful.

As for personal, Cedar, you accuse this man of GASLIGHTING and now you ask me to show you a video where he DOESN'T do it? Are you being serious here? Do you not…Read more

Gaslighting is a serious accusation and he did this, I think we all deserve to know. Your distaste of his name on this forum is centered on his character. You said this yourself. If someone has a strong tendency to gaslight, then this will be a SERIOUS character flaw. If Peterson truly did this, and as often as you say he did, then this…Read more

Please show us. This is a serious accusation. I know what entails gaslighting. Exactly when and where did this happen?

Sorry that doesn't hold up. You say that he commits gaslighting. That is a serious accusation but you haven't provided proof. Can you show us when and where this happened?

If it is impossible to make you see him differently, why should anyone try and persuade you? It is very confusing because you say that you remain open, just not to how you see him... At this point, I say we agree to disagree and move on.

JP was used as an example in CT. I don't think there is much to protest but, just as you have your…Read more

Have you seen his lectures? Forget his interviews, they are irrelevant. His lectures is where the meat of his ideas are and they are freely available on youtube. If you want to do proper research on JP, then you might read his book "12 Rules for Life: An Antidote to Chaos." It is available for just 13 dollar on amazon.

Again, why does it…Read more

Based on this post I wrote:

(...) Gamma SF’s are aesthetes in the Se-Ni sense of the term. Attributing “emotional excitation” exclusively to Fe is where you go wrong. “Excitation” is an attribute of Pe. This blindspot shows a lack of understan…

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And no, he's not "alt right." Far from it.

It adds up fine. It’s Fe+Ni/Se in Socionics. It’s very much a state of emotional excitation, as much as it is the experience of forceful intensity and relating it to transcendent themes.

This is what I mean with "Gamma blindspot." Gamma SF's are aesthetes in the Se-Ni sense of the term. Attributing "emotional excitation" exc…Read more

I'm not arguing that she explained in in an Si way, I was arguing that your argument around aesthetics didn't add up.

Animal's explanation is how Se shows up with aesthetics. The tiger in the jungle, as with Animal, is primarily displayed via sensory information. This is strongly valued Se backed by Ni. This is not EIE or IEI, this…Read more

Of course there is nuance to this idea. But in the context of Animal's use of aesthetics, and she explained it very well in the post above, you won't be able to explain it via the "conceptual aesthetics," use of poetry, dramatics, and compelling emotional speech, of the EIE. What I see in your typing of Animal as EIE is exactly a…Read more

You mention being interested in the expression of your personal feelings and values. An important thing here is that you say this is an ‘aesthetic’ expression, but Se in Socionics is not about aesthetic.

Socionics links aesthetics to Si, and yet you type someone who claims to have such a focus on aesthetics at Si Vulnerable. I mean...

I want to share a personal story regarding Socionics.
For quite some time, @animal , me, and a few others were sharing a group chat with an individual who really wanted to know their type in Socionics. So we tried, again and again,…Read more

I want to discuss this because as a Ti lead, this is extremely far from my lived experience. Under stress, I become hyper-emotional: my emotions become overwhelming, they will feel highly saturated and I will feel as though I am burning up. It is…Read more

Your speech can come out haphazardly when you bounce around thoughts faster than you can revise them. Yet as a whole you make up for these difficulties with your proliferation and rapid prototyping.

What does this mean?

So, overall it's an excellent draft. The one real hang-up I have is the label of "artist," or the inclination toward the artistic. I mentioned that that particular point applies more to @Animal - and to @devon,…Read more

Your profile description touches on some MAJOR ongoing issues I've encountered in life. I'm learning to cope but Holy Motherload of Exotic Juices, it's been a ride!

I don't resonate with everything, though, so I'll go over the whole text. Here goes:

Ji ll–
As a [FiSe/FiNe/TiNe/TiSe ll–] you are a Compass type with an Explorer dev…

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As Animal mentioned, there are the "development levels." While demonstrably real and they definitely should be explored, part of the…Read more

"What is Neil Degrasse Tyson DOING that is Fe?"

Perhaps him being a major spokesperson for "science" who is intent on educating the public via entertainment and public discourse might be... an indicator of Fe? Think about it. His Fe is through the roof. He is always extremely emotionally engaged and is expert…Read more

Well, maybe "better" isn't the appropriate word per se. It's more that these models come more…Read more

Lol. I sound bitter.…Read more

1st paragraph:

As a [TiNe/TiSe/FiNe/FiSe] you are a Compass type – inescapably compelled to withdraw your energies from the world and into an interior realm of private contemplation.

Yes.

You exist always with a level of rem…

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If contrasting pleasure and meaning is not intuitive for you, just use other words (like the more specific ‘exploring what’s beautiful vs what’s interesting’). And again, please don’t confuse Se with Se-users.

@Sander

Beauty is interesting and beauty has meaning. There is always a reason why something is beautiful. I find it a strange thing to…Read more

Eating food I love – 2
Drinking something I love – 4
Sleeping in a comfortable bed – 3
Bathing (long showers, baths) – 3
Relaxing – 3
Cooking – 1

Intellectual Stimulation – 18

Learning, studying, discovering – 3
Epiphany – 4
Seeing the patterns – 5
Obsessing over a topic of interest – 3
Parsing things out – 2
Branching out menta…Read more

The concept of one thing being 'more' or 'less' real than another puzzles me. I'm reminded of…Read more

I won't be adding much novelty to the conversation, except for the confirmation of what has been established.

As a Se-Ni devotee, I cannot help but be wanting to sink my teeth into material in great depth. In our private lives, @Animal and I will have conversations on the same topic that can…Read more

Dexterous
Graceful
Slow, careful speech
Slow, careful movement

AWARENESS

Physical (sensing your bodily ‘presence’) vs. Unphysical - 50/50
Present (with others)
Responsible
Aware of environment
Good at driving
Unfocused

STATE OF MIND & LEARNING

Weak will power
Passive
Thinker
Visual/Kinesthetic/Auditory vs. Int…Read more

I am more attuned to movement in my environment than to noticing and remembering concrete objects.

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I only really notice 'stuff' around me when I am in observer mode, meaning that I am then engaged in analysis of my environment. Judging, not…Read more

Pi is the shaman-seer meditating on its place in infinite time and space, its connection to its ancestry and its peers.

Pe is the shaman-dancer circling the fire and channeling  cosmic entities through its own body; a vessel to bring the eternal into the now.

Obviously, both are shitfaced 😉

With @Animal, though, I am outspoken, I start fights (and love them), and can be a straight-out brat. She calls this me being a "cat." Lol.

In public, with most other…Read more

Had never considered Ti-Se for David Bowie, what with the high Fe being constantly talked about in regards to his typing on other fora. But indeed; his Ji rigidness is unmistakable.

I approve of the "TiSe drag-queen shade" title, lol. I really dressed down in that video, but my usual attire, while not drag-queen, tends to be quite…Read more

Creating media focused on the "Average Woman" creates mediocre content because as you aim to please the largest audience, you fail to satisfy any.

This has been a trend lately, and people are picking up on it (finally).…Read more

How many different types of romance can be depicted on the screen?  VS How many different…Read more

Harry Potter is not Fe, yet his story is often used as an example of the Heroes Journey.…Read more

I think that the greatest example of the Hero's Journey is found in the best selling book: The Bible. Jesus Christ's life-story itself (he's Fe dom is he not?) follows that cycle to the T.

His story is much older than the Bible itself, and I would argue (but won't..) that it is much, much older…Read more

Ti: Search for Universal Axioms

Yes. I am not interested in acquiring information - my interest lies in understanding the world/universe. What is the key…Read more

Personally, I am more conscious of my need to reach…Read more

One of my most recent collages.

Cold, yet emotional and longing ; burdened by the cost of Light, yet Free in Spirit ; Element Winter ; Purity in Perfection - White ; stripped down from any extraneous elements, no leaves on the branches, only the bare essential remains as a representation of the Eternal Truth ; Bird of Prey brings an Eagle's Eye…Read more

What has been your ego journey?
What attitude has felt most like you, and why do you think you may have come to affiliate with it so heavily?

I suspect that I had my ego invested in Sensation as a child. I just wanted to play, be a pirate and use this giant cherry tree as my ship, or be Spider-man and swing from branch to branch... I was outside…Read more