@shelley

In enneagram, what you describe is very typical of 6w7 and 7.  The sense of 'needing freedom.' However, it is very atypical of heart-types, whose intrinsic makeup is around seeking meaning, purpose and value in the world.

I don't want Pe to be mistaken for 6 and 7. There are plenty of 2, 3 and 4s who are typed as Pe leads and who have…Read more

I don’t have a lot of time for an in-depth post here, but I want to chime in just to say that I am a Pe lead who idealizes freedom from the shackles of J, esp Te.

I need structure, though I crave freedom from it. I want the romanticized life of a carefree hippie, but such a carefree life also scares me.

I like to keep a goal in mind during any g…Read more

For any J-leads who are writing or interpreting descriptions, perhaps there's some projection going on -- where their own need to incorporate P into their lives - makes them think that P represents freedom and a lack of shackles. However, being too free, without direction, discipline or definition, is a different set of shackles which P leads may…Read more

@scientiam

Yes! This is basically what @ivory and I were saying. He's TiSe, so he finds freedom in breaking free of the J 'shackles'  through the use of his Se, which in his case, is developed.

For me, I find freedom in dedicating myself to a purpose. Without that, my life feels utterly empty.  As I said in discord:

my hunger, my desire, my p…

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Ok let me rephrase this.

A Pe function may find its sense of purpose to be to live a life filled with as much joy as possible, and to be expressive and free to be themselves. Or thriving in general in whatever they wish.

I find fulfillment in being a vessel through which passion emerges. So there is some truth in what you have said here, @auburn.…Read more

@ivory

It definitely could be.  To quote what I said in the boredom thread:

The idea of ‘boredom’ strikes me as a distorted perception of reality, and I wonder why people assume that it’s so natural and human. To me it’s an indicator that there’s a serious problem.

There’s so much that I want to do and so much that I have to do – in order to ac…

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In relation to the post above, 'Freedom' could be seen as a freedom from the devils that you know. Grass is greener on the other side. J-person finding freedom in P and visa versa.