I see. I'm sorry, I think I was too simplistic in my earlier message. I agree with you that they don't have to be 'mucked around' with Ne beforehand. I mainly meant that Ne is involved, but it could just be in a general Pe capacity (re: pass-through).

Sometimes they might be, sure, but not all the time

Right. Thank you for helping me clarify my…Read more

Also, the same could be asked about Se/Ni: Why must objects that reach working memory be further processed by Se before going straight to Ni for abstraction and archiving?

In the above model is correct, then it would seem that extremely low or non-existent Pe development would choke off Pi from any content at all and that a worldview wouldn't…Read more

@Auburn:

I think we're agreeing on this, but I just wanted to clarify to be sure.

Yes, I recognize that Se (and Si) do not refer to "sensory".  What I'm questioning though is whether all objects that land in working memory must be mucked around with by Ne before being woven into the Si worldview.  Sometimes they might be, sure, but not all the t…Read more

Oh, I think this convo's gotten off on the wrong foot, and I think it's partly because the post is old and uses old terminology for S/sensation. As you guys know, terms like "the sensory world" and "raw sense impressions" should not be equated with S, and are really two different discussions. So lets begin again by reiterating that S =/= sensory.…Read more

You did say that this is a metaphor, which suggests one should be cautious about drawing conclusions from and making predictions about the underlying reality.  However, I have to say that Ne/Si sounds quite whacked.  I assume you don't find it to be a whacked description of your own cognition though, so I'm not going to dismiss it just y…Read more

Aha, that's the curious thing about the Ne/Si oscillation. Si doesn't acquire literal/concrete information from Ne; it makes Ne's information literal and concrete.

Suppose for example that there is an Ne-lead and and Si-lead sitting in the break room during lunch hour, having a conversation. The Ne-lead throws out six different associative…Read more

If Ne uses abstract exploration, then how does Si acquire the literal information to store on its map?