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Cedar replied to the topic Vultology Quiz #6 in the forum Vultology & Learning Center

Sun, 28 Mar 2021 05:38:13 +0000

Me too

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Cedar replied to the topic Consciousness and Sense of Self in the forum Spirituality & Philosophy

Wed, 10 Feb 2021 21:58:24 +0000

@grockl I agree that if you upload your mind, it would cease to be you. Also, death is what gives life its value. If we bypass that inevitable end, what is lost of who we are supposed to evolve to? I personally believe that we can't outrun the inescapable. We must pass through these stages of growth and development to complete transformations. If…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic [Fi-lead/Aux] What is your relationship with emotions/empathy vs logic/strategy? in the forum Type Specific

Wed, 10 Feb 2021 03:46:17 +0000

Honestly, my feelings aren't a consideration when weighing options of how to proceed with an action. For me, I look at the big picture and work back from that. What are the overall needs of the group? What resources are available? What is the likelihood that the resources will meet those needs? Who's in charge? If me, how do I get everyone…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Consciousness and Sense of Self in the forum Spirituality & Philosophy

Wed, 10 Feb 2021 02:18:41 +0000

I know there's something more than just our brains functioning. We are surrounded and filled with consciousness...to an unnecessary level. I'm not sure if you've ever heard or thought about the hard problem of consciousness. As much as I love science, there is more than we can currently pick up on using that medium. I fundamentally know that we…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Thread with my typings in the forum Vultology & Learning Center

Wed, 10 Feb 2021 01:25:24 +0000

I have often seen a pattern where people are attracted to people with similar types as themselves. Do you feel that there is truth to this? Do you feel you speak a common language or have a core similarity to others who share your cognitive functions? Do you find yourself confused or even annoyed with other types who have a different approach to…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Sat, 18 Apr 2020 05:53:28 +0000

@auburn It would be better if this preference for JP and his interpretations were communicated more clearly and directly, instead of just "likes" on points that represent your opinions. I was expecting a more neutral setting here and have found the level of politics to be detracting from anything CT is attempting to add. I imagine many wouldn't…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 21:10:29 +0000

And so many more. He does it throughout the entirety of his interactions. Honestly, every interview and debate I have seen he has deployed the tactics of gaslighting.

How much of this is because your wife and I…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:55:12 +0000

Why is this a serious accusation? Is Peterson basing his self-worth on what I'm writing on a forum? Are we part of a legal proceeding in which I'm a character witness? I'm not trying to be rude, but put this in actual context. Someone who admires someone will not always see their flaws. That doesn't mean they don't exist.

Again, I would like to…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:47:04 +0000

Gaslighting involves:

Discrediting
Using a mask of confidence, assertiveness, and/or fake compassion to make you believe that you “have it all wrong.”
Changing the subject; divert the topic by asking another question, or making a statement usually directed at your thoughts
Minimizing
Denial and avoidance
Twisting and reframing

He does this in…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:30:04 +0000

@auburn you liked Ivory's post refuting what I had said. It is a reasonable assumption that you agree with JP. Am I right?

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 20:24:07 +0000

@ivory I'm not referring to the media drama, I'm referring to JP as a person. Perhaps I'm not clearly communicating. My mind was open for over 20 hours to him, over the course of a month. It isn't wise to remain infinitely open learning about someone/something that has a clear and consistent pattern that isn't based in current respected science.…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 18:45:09 +0000

@bera here's an example of how JP is a part of the foundation of CT https://cognitivetype.com/who-is-jordan-peterson-and-why-does-it-matter/ This is what I am referring to, not him in the database. Even just looking at the title of the article should help clear up what my concern is. Thank you for asking for clarification.

@ivory Regardless of my…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Wed, 15 Apr 2020 03:57:12 +0000

@ivory I didn't say he was alt-right. Many associated with that identity do passionately endorse JP. One can't just say that the media has created drama around him. He is polarizing and is not merely a victim of unwarranted attack. Please present real information that shows Jordan is uniquely qualified to add to CT. Just saying an opinion doesn't…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Tue, 14 Apr 2020 23:08:29 +0000

I just spent the last several hours listening to some of his international interviews and I do not see why he is fundamental to CT. If this is a libertarian or alt-right site, then it makes sense. Why is he given this level of respect when he offers little to nothing to the concepts presented here? He is so divisive. Is it worth it?

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Tue, 14 Apr 2020 18:55:43 +0000

Is this the study he bases his idea of hierarchy on? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC20885/ Have you read the study?

Cedar and Alice are now friends

Tue, 14 Apr 2020 01:04:57 +0000

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Mon, 13 Apr 2020 02:55:12 +0000

@bera You have a lot here and it will take a while to unpack.

I came to JP with a very open mind. I had no idea who he was until reading through support of him on CT forums and Wiki. As I dug, I initially thought he might be on to something. I can't help but dig into things that interest me, so I kept researching, listening to his debate with Sam…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic The evaluation of identity: Fi vs Ti in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Sun, 12 Apr 2020 03:59:44 +0000

@epicentity I am a white woman from the Pacific Northwest, so I don't know your experience. I imagine what you are saying is stifling and almost like a cage. Having people project onto what they think you are would be difficult. Thank you for sharing your experience. It is sad that since media has represented white as "normal" for so long, people…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic I created a survey in the forum General Psychology

Sat, 11 Apr 2020 21:03:02 +0000

I'll participate. My husband will also participate, but he isn't officially typed through CT. He does know the cognitive functions he uses and I agree that is how he functions from an outsider's perspective. Having the heartitude will add value.

Yay for putting something together!

Cedar replied to the topic The evaluation of identity: Fi vs Ti in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Fri, 10 Apr 2020 21:07:49 +0000

@fayest42 Agreed! Since there is no way, at this point, to investigate someone's bias towards philosophy, this can at least show if they know themselves as well as they think they do. This is the closest that I can imagine us getting now. I trust my own self-knowledge and that of those who know me. I am older and have done a lot of work on…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic The evaluation of identity: Fi vs Ti in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Fri, 10 Apr 2020 03:58:32 +0000

@fayest42 I agree. Scientific studies are showing how epigenetics impacts behaviors and can even cause mental disorders in future generations. It's also objectively true that it is neither nature nor nurture in charge of shaping us, but a blend. There's no way I could believe that someone comes into the world with a template of character that they…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Jordan Peterson & Controversies in the forum General Psychology

Thu, 09 Apr 2020 19:22:34 +0000

@epicentity we do not agree and that is okay. I do not bring this up lightly and without putting thought into it...I knew you would push back. I do not want to continue this discussion as it is not the point and will go nowhere.

For those who are unaware of Jordan Peterson and wish to learn more, here is an article on him from the New York Times.…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Examples of Ti Conversations in the forum General Psychology

Thu, 09 Apr 2020 03:21:09 +0000

Here's Ezra Klein in an interview about the polarization of the U.S. politically. Regardless of leanings, I think he's a good example of someone using Fe and Ti well. When I use the Codifier, he's lands in the Beta quadra, but I could be wrong. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZXb2pKcU5k He has a podcast and interviews people of all political…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic The evaluation of identity: Fi vs Ti in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Wed, 08 Apr 2020 23:14:30 +0000

@fayest42 I no longer feel alone. I am supposedly an Fi lead also, and don't feel like it communicates how I metabolize info...and I'm not talking about a point here or there, but the overall pattern. I can go point by point, but that is to try and refute an argument, not start with a fresh perspective. I also find many of the descriptions…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Maladaptive Coping Strategies: P Escapism & J Over-Compensation in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Mon, 06 Apr 2020 01:55:27 +0000

Thank you for sharing how this is impacting you and your partner's lives. I am lucky that I never feel overwhelmed in a crisis. It's the long-term triturating of stress that does me in. It grinds me down and makes me feel overwhelmed. But then again, it's only certain stressors that get to me. (I grew up with tremendous stress and weekly…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Maladaptive Coping Strategies: P Escapism & J Over-Compensation in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Sun, 05 Apr 2020 23:58:48 +0000

@alice I'm glad you wrote something up. These are strange times and it is interesting to see what "stuff" we are made of when a crisis of this magnitude and duration occurs.

I've noticed a trend in my neighbors who identify as Fi leads; they are getting depressed and shutting down. Their bodies are slumped and they are barely keeping themselves…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Couple's Thread! in the forum Vultology & Learning Center

Mon, 23 Mar 2020 00:00:18 +0000

I swear there used to be a forum thread that mentioned Kristen Bell. It had her as an Fi that had been taught to smile as Fe. Maybe it was from the .net version?

Anyways, I think it is just as important to look at how people show up in life as that would show how they metabolize information. When body movements match behavior, there would be…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Notes on Emotional Intelligence in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:10:19 +0000

@auburn, you are making assumptions as to why I wrote what I did. You cannot know my mind; therefore, it is inappropriate to say I was operating in bad faith. Additionally, that is a very loaded term that implies deceit. I have standards for myself and to my knowledge each person is not held to their individual standard on CT. When someone is…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Sat, 07 Mar 2020 01:55:19 +0000

@auburn I was also raised in Christianity. I love that bumper sticker, "Lord, please save me from your followers." ;P

Over the months, I have attempted to be on the Discord chat, but it is not for me. I don't look for community on the internet, I look for it in my daily interactions. Sometimes I have a connection to someone I meet online, but I…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Fri, 06 Mar 2020 03:44:40 +0000

@auburn I want to clarify that I was referring to the concept in the book, Emotional Intelligence by Daniel Goleman. It is a bit different that what people use in their everyday vernacular. They are skills that anyone can learn. You have devoted that time to CT, which has a different kind of value. Having Fe is your last function is different from…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Fri, 06 Mar 2020 03:30:14 +0000

@animal I am not apologizing. I was bringing up behaviors I've witnessed with others, myself and you.

We are clearly grating on each other and it would be wise to discontinue this.

Cedar replied to the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Fri, 06 Mar 2020 03:22:19 +0000

@animal It is not manipulation to be responsible for what you write and how it could be received by a reasonable person. If you offend, it isn't manipulation to apologize without making it sound like a miscommunication. If you impulsively respond, it is not the other person's responsibility to give you the benefit of the doubt.

The only thing I…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Fri, 06 Mar 2020 00:42:18 +0000

@animal You are right, initially, I did ask what constitutes evidence onto your post. I communicated that I didn't know how to create a new forum conversation, so I tagged others since it was not directly related to what you had written.

Your motivations for why you are interested in typology are clear. It isn't true that you don't care what…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:12:16 +0000

@animal What are your intentions when you post? How are you hoping the information will be received?

Cedar replied to the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Thu, 05 Mar 2020 04:42:22 +0000

@auburn thank you for the response and tutorial on creating a forum post. The idea of CT excites me. I see some blind spots that make me have concerns and I believe they could be fixed with work. Not necessarily by only you either. I wouldn’t point this out if I didn’t think your concept was rooted into something true and useful to the pop…Read more

Cedar started the topic What counts as evidence? in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Wed, 04 Mar 2020 05:03:38 +0000

@ladynerdsky @auburn I haven't been able to find anywhere the definition used on this site for evidence. What constitutes evidence for understanding type according to CT?

I don't know how to create a new forum post, so I'm tacking in onto this thread since the term evidence is used repeatedly.

Cedar replied to the topic CT Constructive Criticism in the forum The General Hall

Wed, 29 Jan 2020 03:10:09 +0000

If you want CT to reach more people:

Create an environment where people feel like they can contribute without having to adhere to an unspoken rule of sycophancy.
Discourage a clique culture where loyal fans attack anyone with a valid question.
Realize that word choice does matter. People will not be open to CT when there are judgmental…

Cedar replied to the topic CT Constructive Criticism in the forum The General Hall

Mon, 27 Jan 2020 20:48:46 +0000

These are all distractions from the point. Am I correct in the following understanding of the mission of CT:

Is it true that the aim for CT is to be useful to a greater number of people?

Is it true that Auburn wants to publish a paper about CT?

Is it true that the hope for CT is that it help people develop themselves?

Cedar replied to the topic CT Constructive Criticism in the forum The General Hall

Mon, 27 Jan 2020 03:48:20 +0000

@faex the point is people can't make a clean argument with faulty logic. Things can't be used to show motivations one way in one person and then in a complete opposite way in another.

Cedar replied to the topic CT Constructive Criticism in the forum The General Hall

Mon, 27 Jan 2020 02:53:36 +0000

If we use Neil deGrasse Tyson's passion and advocacy for science as an example of Fe, it should never be the justification of why someone else has Fi, but that happens (I'm an example. My passion and advocacy for my local ecosystem was used to show why I'm Fi and Si). Why or what is the difference? It can't be both ways. One must be careful to not…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Hypothesis on type compatibility. in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Mon, 20 Jan 2020 23:46:44 +0000

Could someone recreate this with darker writing? My computer eyes can't clearly make it out and it looks interesting. Thanks!

Cedar replied to the topic Intellectual Narcissism in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Mon, 20 Jan 2020 22:34:38 +0000

@supahprotist Grad school is expensive, as I'm sure you know. Student loans are often crippling and almost always stressful. I'm 42 years old and have seen people go through life phases and I agree that you should study yourself like @greencoyote said. What if you developed yourself first (not the Development levels, but your humanity) and see how…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Unseelie Fi Description in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Sun, 19 Jan 2020 01:54:05 +0000

I think the main issue is I don't agree with the delineation between the Feeling types. If anything, they also feel like they should be on a spectrum and not separate types. In other systems the boundaries made clearer sense. There are tons of posts from Fi's perspective. Are there any from Fe lead Adaptive females?

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Cedar replied to the topic Unseelie Fi Description in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Thu, 16 Jan 2020 03:18:54 +0000

I know that the Big 5 Personaility Types aren't as embraced here, and I agree it lacks a lot and is slanted rather negatively. How do you feel about people to are typed as Seelie but their Big 5 shows them as low in compassion? Or the opposite? Several Fi folks are typed this way. To be the devil's advocate, what is the value if it doesn't…Read more

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Cedar replied to the topic Unseelie Fi Description in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:20:39 +0000

Oh, with all of that I forgot, I see the world and operate out of ENF more than any of the other temperaments.

Cedar replied to the topic Unseelie Fi Description in the forum Model 1 Discussions

Thu, 16 Jan 2020 00:03:51 +0000

I was really shocked when I received the feedback on my type! I was typed as FiNe III unseelie and flat affect, which still feels SO far off the mark! I realized that I don't show up on video the way I do irl. I've had so many cringes from loved ones that have watched the videos I submitted. With that in mind, I probably came across that way, but…Read more

Cedar replied to the topic Vultology Quiz #4: 1 Sample! in the forum Vultology & Learning Center

Wed, 15 Jan 2020 00:15:15 +0000

I also think you will get a cleaner view of the behaviors/mannerisms if it is done in a two person conversation or interview. We all perform different things, even if we don't realize it. Scarlet seemed to be performing hyper-femininity by being a false-bashful/shy/timid, moving her face in traditionally feminine ways, etc. that you see many…Read more