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  • Type: SeFi
  • Development: lll-
  • Attitude: Unseelie

Hmm. I’m not sure about that. In the descriptions of types in Socionics, Pi is considered phlegmatic, generally.  The descriptions of ILI, SLI, SEI and IEI all have anecdotes about how lazy they are, in contrast to their energetic Pe lead duals.

It’s more that the IJ types are characterized as being rigid and having a stick up their ass, whereas Pi types are characterized as lazy. SLI (SiTe) is even called the “Lazy master” in many descriptions.

For instance, let’s use the quote you posted:

 

relaxed
go-with-the-flow
finds it easy to spend long periods of time in no activity, or at very low levels of energy
movements are flexible, unhurried
little inclination towards fidgetiness when having to remain inactive for longer periods
IPs are both dynamic and irrational, so they see reality as in continuous, gradual, often imperceptible change. An IP is soothed by this, seeing reality through his leading function. This leads to a relaxed inclination to take things as they come and adapt to them.

As introverts, IPs tend to be relaxed and somewhat passive about initiating relationships with other people, mostly assuming that others will take the initiative.

 

This is exactly a description of Phlegmatic temperament.

Being concerned with stability is not ‘phlegmatic’ per se. It’s more that they see IJ temperaments as being too rigid.

On Sociotype.com for instance, which is the go-to for noobs:

calm, balanced and inert
“unflappable”
rigid but not very fast gait
may appear passive-aggressive
usually very stable mood
more reactive than active
little inclination to fidget during long periods of inactivity
IJs are both static and rational, so they see reality as mostly not changing and when it does, it’s in abrupt “leaps” from one state to another. An IJ draws inner stability from a stable reality, especially as seen through his leading function. That makes him confident that things will probably remain as they are despite what he sees as minor disturbances; periods of clear upheaval are very disturbing and the individual is anxious that things will “settle down” one way or the other soon enough. As introverts, IJs tend to be calm and relaxed about initiating relationships with other people, mostly assuming that others will take the initiative, but will be more inclined to try to make sure a relationship is maintained once established.

IJs place great importance on maintaining and consistently following one’s own principles and rules. An IJ will judge another person very harshly if the IJ deems that person has not consistently followed his/her own principles. If the IJ vocalizes this criticism, it will often be couched bluntly and unencumbered by diplomacy, as the offender’s violation of principle(s) flies in the face of the IJs leading function, which dictates that one’s actions be governed byhis/her own principals. A severe enough violation, in the eyes of the IJ, may cause the IJ to question or even terminate the relationship with the other person. (Note that IJs do not necessary expect others to share their same values, and they are generally comfortable with others who have opposing viewpoints, as long as they are based on consistent reasoning.)

Perception of other temperaments
EP: IJs see EPs as unreliable, and too unpredictable in their impulses and initiatives.

EJ: IJs see EJs as pleasantly energetic and willing to take the initiative and get things going in a balanced, constant way.

IP: IJs see IPs as unreliable and unwilling to take any initiative, with too low levels of energy.

 

The lack of fidgeting is more about being “rigid” than it is about being “phlegmatic.”  IJs see IP as too low energy.  So I’m not sure where you see ‘phlegmatic’ in IJ, @elisaday – I studied Socionics for years and took for granted that they were rigid whereas the IP’s were phlegmatic.

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