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Gnosis
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  • Type: TiSe
  • Development: llll
  • Attitude: Directive

Thank you grockl.

Let’s see if my logic makes any sense to you. You mentioned that high Fe users have been mentioned to be in bodybuilding and coaching wich sounds very masculine. Let’s assume masculine is signified by the general psychological temperament as ST (Sensing and Thinking). There is an article by auburn which categorizes the types on a scale of masculine and feminine, noting the focus on Thinking as particularly masculine. That means if you see bodybuilding as masculine than somehow there’s a factor in it that makes it high T or S. I think it’s both. That mean Fe bodybuilders perhaps don’t have their Ti concious, but their cognition is such that they are T (and S?) heavy. And bodybuilding mindset kinda fits with Ji’s need for personal refinement, molding ones image and muscles. So it would be consistent with my proposition that directive Fe is rather high Ti (T+Ji). And that directives would sacrifice more of themselves (self-pain) for some higher Ji principle (image, identity, manhood, strength, body artistry)? A person more vulnerable to their own pain (high F) would avoid bodybuilding (painful work) and rather stick to walking and eating healthy, for example. Idk, I’m just guessing from what I would do lol.

Coaching is rather neutral, it depends on the coach and their attitude, I would think. Compare Jordan Peterson to Alain De Botton. I feel Jordan Peterson is cold and high Ti, directing me to clean my room (be tough, more fatherly) despite any pain or feelings I would have (depression). Alain would be more affectionate and considerate of my suffering, perhaps helping me to clean my room and all the while giving me advice (more motherly). Both are coaching me, but one is more cold and one is more sensitive.

I have to admit that I haven’t looked into the new model closely and so I will when I have time, but this is just my natural proposition of the F attitudes and the f functions.

F functions are derived from life . CT makes it seem like it’s a logical affair( “it’s sentient and has a brain/nervous system so I compute “life”) like it’s an ethical-logical-definitonal propositional computational process. I disagree with this. Empathy for life first comes from the “heart” or “soul” and it’s experienced (meaning it’s innate), meaning I “feel” first for a dog or a person dying and make my ethics based on that with Ji or Je, but it needs that initial experience input. Therefore, a blocked heart and alternatively a feeling heart (on a spectrum) is what I feel determines the attitudes. high T (Ji/Je) can have this effect; or trauma too which leads to coldness ( Ji or Je cognition may not be developd in truamatic cases, but it “mimics” high T). But that’s from personal experience, if we had more data on perhaps high T leads and the integration experience of their F function, perhaps we would have a more clearer picture. Because when I try to use high Ti now as used to do, it feels impossible, to ignore myself and what I feel, it’s crazy and lifeless. I have found that F is life, yours and others, and it includes bodily/heart phenomenological, raw sensitivity to life.  it’s polar opposite is coldness (lack of any sensitivity) or high T (low sensitivity) for accurate/ factual analysis/judgement.

 

What do you think? I think it needs more evidence and research, but it’s a start and more “natural” in my opinion?🤷

Ps. Wrote this on my phone, so my writing is wonky, sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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