J: Order vs P: Chaos

This post is not yet written, but here is some related material:

I don’t know how successful this will be, but this will be my first lucid attempt to explain my thoughts and evolving understanding of what CT is. And by that I mean what CT really is in terms of how it fits into (and arose from) human nature. Particularly under the lens of Jungian psychology (and especially as synthesized by Peterson with modern research & evolutionary biology). A background in Jordan Peterson is probably necessary to understand the material to follow.

Order vs Chaos

The dichotomy of Order vs Chaos is one and the same with Judgment vs Perception, which I intend to confirm below.

Peterson’s paradigm structure, nested frames:

^ The structure Peterson describes here is a set of nested “conclusions”, each leading into the next. Compare for example to mine as per the book:

And also in the video:

 

This outlines a knowledge framework, which is ever refining and which we use to make a sort of simulation what reality is. And more specifically how we should act in it, because in the case of Peterson he frames all this more toward Je than Ji (and I’ll get to his Je-bias/tilt in another post), but it’s nonetheless the same exact concept. Our definitions of life are nested among greater definitions at higher and higher levels of abstraction. And that’s what gives us as evolved primates the capacity to abstract as far as to have a concept of self, a concept of The Ideal… among other things. I’ll get into how idealism fits in with J and fits in with God, in another post as well.

Differentiation; The creation of order out of chaos

Peterson says of Order, just as I mentioned in the self-same video, that Judgment takes the undifferentiated (chaos) and delineates. It “creates” by defining; by giving structure, label, name or boundary. It operates by the imposition of barriers so as to encapsulate a thing and bring it into awareness. Suddenly you can call it by name; you speak it out of the void.

This is the separation of waters from waters in Genesis. The formation of the world (phenomenologically). And more personally it represents the creation of the Ego, the distinction between self and others. Judgment is what takes the amorphous world we’re placed inside of and quantifies the properties of it.

Omission of the Irrelevant; Managing only the conclusions

Peterson also says, in multiple different ways, that the world (or chaos, rather…) is far too complicated. And one of the problems we face is that there’s a lot more of “the world” than there is of us. So one of the ways that we deal with that is by ignoring things. We figure out what matters and we treat all else as irrelevant, and in so doing we achieve Order. A parallel statement from my book, ch.2

“All variables in the environment congeal into a panorama which the judgment processes can see and, via an application of thresholds, draw lines in that panorama to differentiate substances and situations. The psyche reduces environmental variables by drawing these conclusions, then only consciously manages those conclusions. Without the judgment processes, the causality around you would continue to flow as one endless stream between the present sensory experience and how it triggers previously observed sensations but with no ability to contrast the two between themselves or to chronicle them properly in space or time.”

In so doing, the amount of things we keep track of via Order/Judgment is manageable. Those things that are relevant to us get defined, and we form our concept of reality off of these micro-conclusions.

Spoken into Existence; By defining we give Form(ation)

Judgment tends to be very verbal/linguistic because words are encapsulations of conclusions; definitions. And this is part of why god Spoke the world into existence. It’s exactly what we do as humans too, when as children we form the world around us by defining it. Language creates our reality, to some extent. It’s also why The Word was with God at the beginning; Logos. It’s also why Je is the Articulator. In human society, we move things not so much by physical locomotion, but by instructions and language. That is our primary tool for action; the eventual rearrangement of reality mechanically is just the final step, but the organization happens way earlier in the form of concept.

The Articulator Spoke, and the world was made

 

Phenomenologically, that’s how we experience it in our psyches. First we define it, then we can name it, then we can manipulate it. As we define it, the world around us constellates itself, and we come to “know” what reality is.

Illumination; Demystification

The principle of Judgment is the principle of elevated consciousness; of the removal of ambiguity, of demistification, of shedding Light on the Dark. Judgment — Logos, our capacity to quantify the world and organize it based on nested frameworks of meaning — is synonymous with Higher Consciousness or the differentiation away from the primordial unconscious. The chaos/void/undifferentiated-waters are unknown, ambiguous, …pregnant with danger as well as promise. But once they are revealed, by being seen and named/defined, they take a definite form. Chaos exists in a superposition until Judgment shines a light on it and measures it; at which point it collapses into a definitive. As such Judgment is Illumination; it is the clarifying principle.

POST 2:

Chaos; the Undifferentiated

Chaos is the pregnant, undifferentiated Void; mother
It is the raw material from which Order begets differentiation; creates Formation

Ego Disassembly

The process of Perception, without the constraints of the J axis, falls into an undifferentiated state. In other words, one loses the distinction between “This” and “That” — by which the extension because not knowing “I” from “Other.” This is the Self-Contraction that Ni-lead Adi Da Samraj speaks about letting go of; surrendering into the universal and amorphous.

Why? What wisdom is in this?

The formation of egos, of “us” vs “them”, of “this” vs “that” is what causes the arms race of our species and also of our own minds. High and low, up or down. Judgment adds a reference frame by which things can be judged and compared to other things. For this reason, Judgment is inherently a rather unhappy axis. “Judgmental” is the proper adjective for the attitude here. A person so judgmental may not even be able to enjoy reality because they are always preoccupied with how they measure against it.

Vector; the purpose of Judgment/Order

The reason we create definition is to know where to go and what to do. The evolution of our ability to delineate arose hand in hand with our ability to use that knowledge (“enlightenment”) to give us agency in the word. To manifest. As such Order is a process that contains bias; right/wrong — better or worse. Just as it tells apart up from down, book from chair, it tells apart Ideal from Non-Ideal. And it guides the human toward the Ideal. Because Order is what we desire; the highest order attainable.

The Je-lead never feels like they have reached the apex of success. The Ji-lead never feels like they reach personal perfection and refinement. Both are unhappy because so long as there is need for judgment, there is “something wrong”; something in misalignment. The only time when judgment is unnecessary is when everything is already perfect. And even so, Judgment can find a reason to suggest things aren’t perfect. There’s always more to improve! The spirit of Judgment; is negative, critical, skeptical, exacting, never satisfied, always striving, always reaching for more, for perfection. It is the source of conflict, and thus of death through warfare and predation.

How so?

The distinction between “us” vs “them” extends to friend vs foe. To predator and prey. Judgment delineates those who are there for our benefit, and those who are there to oppose our goals, to take away from our resources, to make us lose. As such, the J axis creates competition. Firstly, competition within oneself (again, self-refinement, “success”), and then competition between individuals and groups. The end aim of Judgment is refinement. Judgment is the principle of evolution through transformation; transmutation. It strives for the philosopher’s stone.

Death, rebirth, death rebirth.
And stronger men are formed from the ashes.
Stronger nations rise from the conflict.
Sharper perspectives are formed from debating.
Evolution.

The physical bloodshed of corpses is simply a reflection of the death of ideas. Every body is an idea. Every person; an ideology. And war is the battle of ideologies. Nations (ideologies) fall to greater nations (ideologies), and thus we progress wiser in the future. Judgment is always stained with blood, whether that of one’s past self or others. The prevalence of J types in politics is natural; politics is the battleground of ideas. It is the fighting ring; the crucible from which refined gold emerges. And every J-lead is in some way a warrior in this fight.

Judgment/Order & Pyramids

As the post above demonstrates in linguistic form, and diagrams, Judgment creates a hierarchical structure of embedded ideas. Judgment is inherently pyramidal, with the more Ideal principles/ideologies embedding those others beneath it — and in so doing, organizing reality into a framework of sub-sets.

This is because ideas win out over other ideas. Judgment discriminates things from other things with the goal in mind of “finding the better.” And when it does, it exalts the better and depreciates the lesser. This inherent capacity to Judge is equally reflected in the material world; as the social world is a reflection of human psychology.

Illumination

The Tyranny of Judgment

It is no wonder then, why people like Ni-lead Eckhart Tolle and Ni-lead Samraj advocate for a dissipation of this sort of pyramidal thinking; judgmental thinking… for the integration of a simple awareness of the now and a contentment in it without striving for something better. Judgment can be taken too far and be overly restrictive, demanding, exacting, and embittering.